ATPL Air Law- advice needed.....
and thank you for the heads up
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Do I need the DAP East/WEST and all the ERC's
Sitting the Exam next Friday,
I'm from over seas and don't have any contacts. I'm also rotor wing.
Do you really need the DAP's STARS,SIPS, ERC's in the exam to pass?
If so does anyone know where I could get my hands on out dated copies of these? I'm in Brisbane and would gladly drive to pick up expired copies if it would help me in the exam. but I've heard you don't need them???
I like the idea of splitting up the CAR's and CAO's into sections you need.
Bender.
I'm from over seas and don't have any contacts. I'm also rotor wing.
Do you really need the DAP's STARS,SIPS, ERC's in the exam to pass?
If so does anyone know where I could get my hands on out dated copies of these? I'm in Brisbane and would gladly drive to pick up expired copies if it would help me in the exam. but I've heard you don't need them???
I like the idea of splitting up the CAR's and CAO's into sections you need.
Bender.
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All you will need is a copy of the CAR and CAO , and of course the AIP
There will be no questions that need any charts , or DAPS..
There will be a question on a curfew on Adelaide....read this up before going in
Good Luck......
edited due to adding AIP.....
All you will need is a copy of the CAR and CAO , and of course the AIP
There will be no questions that need any charts , or DAPS..
There will be a question on a curfew on Adelaide....read this up before going in
Good Luck......
edited due to adding AIP.....
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ATPL Air Law
Thanks for the replies, I found the answer to Adelaide Curfews... another question...
I know I have 90 minutes to do the ATPL Air Law exam but I spoke to a guy who said there was only 32 questions in his exam??? can anyone else comment?
Thanks.
I know I have 90 minutes to do the ATPL Air Law exam but I spoke to a guy who said there was only 32 questions in his exam??? can anyone else comment?
Thanks.
As bones13 said there are 30 questions , my advise is
You will finish in about 40 mins , but use all the remaining
Time to check through every question.
You will need the 50 mins to check word for word from the regs
It's a easy exam don't guess the questions
You will finish in about 40 mins , but use all the remaining
Time to check through every question.
You will need the 50 mins to check word for word from the regs
It's a easy exam don't guess the questions
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CASR's allowed in ATPL Law exam?
Hi, in the list of permitted materials it states allowed materials are :
"CAR 1988
CAO 20-95.2
AIP Book
ERSA complete
AUS PCA
All ERC High and Low and TAC
DAPs East and West
No other references or material permitted"
However, on page 41 of the CAR it states :"CASR is to be read with, and as if it formed part of, CAR."
From experience, are you allowed the CASR in the exam?
And is it really necessary in the exam? I've only noticed a couple of questions in all the practice exams I've sat, mainly medical requirement/ durations etc. Are these types of questions in the exam?
"CAR 1988
CAO 20-95.2
AIP Book
ERSA complete
AUS PCA
All ERC High and Low and TAC
DAPs East and West
No other references or material permitted"
However, on page 41 of the CAR it states :"CASR is to be read with, and as if it formed part of, CAR."
From experience, are you allowed the CASR in the exam?
And is it really necessary in the exam? I've only noticed a couple of questions in all the practice exams I've sat, mainly medical requirement/ durations etc. Are these types of questions in the exam?
CASR is not allowed and all questions relating to parts that have moved to CASR are supposed to be temporarily withheld until part 61 unless they are really basic and general in nature. (Told to me by GS)
Make sure you bring both versions of the instrument relating to flight and duty times (old and new). Both can be tested on.
Make sure you bring both versions of the instrument relating to flight and duty times (old and new). Both can be tested on.
Another manifestation of the surreal level of stupidity created by the RRP
2,000 plus pages of masterpiece regulations in the CASRs developed over the last 16 years are almost entirely irrelevant to the skills and knowledge necessary to be an ATPL holder. 
Kopity: If you have some spare moments and want some perverse amusement, see if you can get a straight answer to your question from CASA, in writing.
Kopity: If you have some spare moments and want some perverse amusement, see if you can get a straight answer to your question from CASA, in writing.
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A message I sent to a mate about the exam, hope this helps
I cant remember using the ERSA/DAPS much but there is a popular (ambiguous) question going around regarding the noise abatement procedures at Adelaide pending on holding fuel and curfew times which will require the use of DAPS WEST and you would probably check the ERSA as well, I would use a tag on this page in my ERSA, and maybe a question on Darwin NDB at night over water, tag on that wouldn't hurt aswell.
Likely to get a question regarding preferred IFR routes which requires rear section of the ERSA, eg. coming into Sydney from the south which is the appropriate route, waypoint X along route Z etc.
CAO's, there will more than likely be at least one question regarding:
20.5 Oxygen and breathing equipment
20.9 precautions in fuelling and ground radar ops
20.11 Emergency and lifesaving equipment
20.16.1 will probably get a question regarding the carriage of a common loading slip over multiple flights on the same route with similar weights and the regs regarding this
20.18 Basic operational requirements, lots of questions on this one. Be particularly careful with section 7, and the wording about assigned altitude indicator and altitude alerting systems, a CASA ambiguous favourite, which will no doubt come up in the exam. Keep in mind the serviceability regs in section 10 when answering with regards to minimum equipment required, as you will probably get a question along the lines of how many AH's does a turbo prop >15'000kg need to operate in VFR and be sure to read all of the last points for appendix 2 of 20.18 as many points alter the requirements of previous points.
A complete fully up to date AIP would help, but if its within 18 months old amendments wise you should be fine in terms of the general questions that get asked in the exam. But a lot of questions will be asked with answers from the AIP.
In terms of the CAR's, you will get a lot of **** maintenance type questions on permissible unserviceabilities and defects that can cause primary structural failure. For e.g A major defect that could cause primary structural failure must be reported to CASA...immediently, all other major defects within 2 working days. CAR's other one that you may need is CAR 217/218 Route qualifications for PIC in RPT/Charter and if you hold
The very first 3 questions in the exam will be about flight and duty times, so I would have CAO 48 ready to go and open when you press on start exam. That and 20.18 ready for the
I cant remember using the ERSA/DAPS much but there is a popular (ambiguous) question going around regarding the noise abatement procedures at Adelaide pending on holding fuel and curfew times which will require the use of DAPS WEST and you would probably check the ERSA as well, I would use a tag on this page in my ERSA, and maybe a question on Darwin NDB at night over water, tag on that wouldn't hurt aswell.
Likely to get a question regarding preferred IFR routes which requires rear section of the ERSA, eg. coming into Sydney from the south which is the appropriate route, waypoint X along route Z etc.
CAO's, there will more than likely be at least one question regarding:
20.5 Oxygen and breathing equipment
20.9 precautions in fuelling and ground radar ops
20.11 Emergency and lifesaving equipment
20.16.1 will probably get a question regarding the carriage of a common loading slip over multiple flights on the same route with similar weights and the regs regarding this
20.18 Basic operational requirements, lots of questions on this one. Be particularly careful with section 7, and the wording about assigned altitude indicator and altitude alerting systems, a CASA ambiguous favourite, which will no doubt come up in the exam. Keep in mind the serviceability regs in section 10 when answering with regards to minimum equipment required, as you will probably get a question along the lines of how many AH's does a turbo prop >15'000kg need to operate in VFR and be sure to read all of the last points for appendix 2 of 20.18 as many points alter the requirements of previous points.
A complete fully up to date AIP would help, but if its within 18 months old amendments wise you should be fine in terms of the general questions that get asked in the exam. But a lot of questions will be asked with answers from the AIP.
In terms of the CAR's, you will get a lot of **** maintenance type questions on permissible unserviceabilities and defects that can cause primary structural failure. For e.g A major defect that could cause primary structural failure must be reported to CASA...immediently, all other major defects within 2 working days. CAR's other one that you may need is CAR 217/218 Route qualifications for PIC in RPT/Charter and if you hold
The very first 3 questions in the exam will be about flight and duty times, so I would have CAO 48 ready to go and open when you press on start exam. That and 20.18 ready for the
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Ozziejim, excellent advise, thank you.
I have this exam coming up and am struggling abit with CA0 48, 3 Pilot Flight and Duty Times.
.....with every practise question I usually come up with two anwsers it could be! Any rule of thumb or advise in navigating 3 pilot crew times would be greatly appreciated!
I have this exam coming up and am struggling abit with CA0 48, 3 Pilot Flight and Duty Times.
.....with every practise question I usually come up with two anwsers it could be! Any rule of thumb or advise in navigating 3 pilot crew times would be greatly appreciated!
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EROPS and attitude indicator power supply queries
Ok so I've come across these two questions in practice papers, the wording is a bit crap, but they're likely replicas or similar to real CASA questions...
Also my online access to the answers has expired so I can't get the answers...
Question One
Which answer best represents the "minimum" requirements regarding the power supply to the attitude indicators fitted to a high capacity IFR RPT turbo-jet aircraft unless exempted in the aircraft flight manual permitted unserviceability list?
A: 2 attitude indicators each powered by it's own power supply system.
B: 3 attitude indicators each powered by it's own power supply system.
C: 3 attitude indicators, 2 of which may be powered by one single power supply system.
CAO 20.18, APPENDIX II is the reference I use to answer the question:
"2 AH's (which are later stated to require: duplicated sources of power supply)"
&
"in turbo-jet ac, max weight greater than 5700kg - a 3rd AH (which is powered from a source independent of the electrical generating system)"
The wording here confusing anyone else? I reckon the answer is "C". As the 2 AH's are powered from the main system (although the do have a duplicated supply)
Question Two
Which answer best describes the maximum distance from land that a twin engine Airbus A320 EROPS (EDTO) certificated aircraft can operate without life rafts aboard?
A: 120 min, or 400nm, whichever is the lesser
B: 30 min, or 100nm, whichever is the lesser
C: 30 min, or 100nm, whichever is the greater
D: 50nm
The reference I use comes from CAO 20.11 - 5.2.1.1
"For the purpose of paragraph 5.2.1 (the requirement to carry rafts), the permitted distance is:
In the case of an aircraft that has: 4 engines, 3 turbine engines, or 2 turbine engines AND complies with 20.7.1B, a distance equal to 120 mins at normal cruising speed, or 400nm, whichever is the less
OR
in any other case - a distance equal to 30 mins at normal cruising speed, or 100nm, whichever is the less.
If an aircraft is EROPS certificated is that taken to assume it complies with 20.7.1B? I can't find anything about EROPS in that part. So is the answer A?. E.g: if the question had specified NOT EROPS certificated, would the answer be B?
Also my online access to the answers has expired so I can't get the answers...
Question One
Which answer best represents the "minimum" requirements regarding the power supply to the attitude indicators fitted to a high capacity IFR RPT turbo-jet aircraft unless exempted in the aircraft flight manual permitted unserviceability list?
A: 2 attitude indicators each powered by it's own power supply system.
B: 3 attitude indicators each powered by it's own power supply system.
C: 3 attitude indicators, 2 of which may be powered by one single power supply system.
CAO 20.18, APPENDIX II is the reference I use to answer the question:
"2 AH's (which are later stated to require: duplicated sources of power supply)"
&
"in turbo-jet ac, max weight greater than 5700kg - a 3rd AH (which is powered from a source independent of the electrical generating system)"
The wording here confusing anyone else? I reckon the answer is "C". As the 2 AH's are powered from the main system (although the do have a duplicated supply)
Question Two
Which answer best describes the maximum distance from land that a twin engine Airbus A320 EROPS (EDTO) certificated aircraft can operate without life rafts aboard?
A: 120 min, or 400nm, whichever is the lesser
B: 30 min, or 100nm, whichever is the lesser
C: 30 min, or 100nm, whichever is the greater
D: 50nm
The reference I use comes from CAO 20.11 - 5.2.1.1
"For the purpose of paragraph 5.2.1 (the requirement to carry rafts), the permitted distance is:
In the case of an aircraft that has: 4 engines, 3 turbine engines, or 2 turbine engines AND complies with 20.7.1B, a distance equal to 120 mins at normal cruising speed, or 400nm, whichever is the less
OR
in any other case - a distance equal to 30 mins at normal cruising speed, or 100nm, whichever is the less.
If an aircraft is EROPS certificated is that taken to assume it complies with 20.7.1B? I can't find anything about EROPS in that part. So is the answer A?. E.g: if the question had specified NOT EROPS certificated, would the answer be B?
