"Evacuate Evacuate"
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There seems to be an ever increasing "school of thought" that evacuating an aircraft is "a last resort".
I understand an elderly person MAY do a hip and ultimately die, and there will be some serious injuries and it can be messy with pax spilling out onto the runway/taxiway but I think its worth some serious discussion.
I'm not that comfortable with uncontrolled fires being attended to by fire officers while I sit in my seat waiting..... Who has responsibility for the pax at this time, the fire commander who can see and deal with the problem or the Captain in the flight deck interpreting this information?
Are we going to see one of these situations blow an aircraft up when an evac could have been initiated and hurt a lot less people?
I understand an elderly person MAY do a hip and ultimately die, and there will be some serious injuries and it can be messy with pax spilling out onto the runway/taxiway but I think its worth some serious discussion.
I'm not that comfortable with uncontrolled fires being attended to by fire officers while I sit in my seat waiting..... Who has responsibility for the pax at this time, the fire commander who can see and deal with the problem or the Captain in the flight deck interpreting this information?
Are we going to see one of these situations blow an aircraft up when an evac could have been initiated and hurt a lot less people?
Are we going to see one of these situations blow an aircraft up when an evac could have been initiated and hurt a lot less people?
Why not evacuate the passengers at the end of every landing roll..... just it case!
It's the sole decision of the Captain on the day.
Whether the Captains' decision was appropriate, will be decided afterwards in the media, and here on Pprune!
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Why not evacuate the passengers at the end of every landing roll..... just it case!
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Why not evacuate the passengers at the end of every landing roll..... just it case!
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Now Howard, have you been skimping on your weekly read of the Aviation Transport Security Act and its infernal regulations? Passengers don't need ASICs.
We could be onto the passenger facilitation coup of the decade here...
We could be onto the passenger facilitation coup of the decade here...
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But passengers must be accompanied by an 'authorised person', once they are 'running for their lives' I think they would be fair game for the rent a cops!
It's the sole decision of the Captain on the day.
Passenger initiated and crew initiated evacuations are pretty common (in the rare world of aircraft evacuations, that is.).
I'm not that comfortable with uncontrolled fires being attended to by fire officers while I sit in my seat waiting.
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Some years ago a neighbour, then mid to late 60's was an evacuee from a QF A330, in Osaka I think. She described the terror of going down a slide from a wide body. She also suffered a broken hip/pelvis because of the person behind her on the slide pelting into her at the bottom.
How much worse it would be and how many injuries from an A380 would give one cause to pause before ordering an evacuation I think.
How much worse it would be and how many injuries from an A380 would give one cause to pause before ordering an evacuation I think.
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If you're talking about the QF32, don't forget that they had a 'precautionary disembarkation' with slides available. They could have popped the main deck slides only and taken their time getting people out. Probably would've taken 10 minutes or so. They didn't need to evacuate but they had an option available in lieu of waiting an hour for stairs.
Further, just because no one was injured does NOT make it the right decision to stay on board. Aviation is littered with examples of occasions wher crew have made perfect decisions and everyone has died whilst those who have made a series of bad calls have walked away. I watched a video today that highlighted that last point perfectly. You can find the video on Ben Sandilands' blog.
It will be interesting to read the ATSB report.
Further, just because no one was injured does NOT make it the right decision to stay on board. Aviation is littered with examples of occasions wher crew have made perfect decisions and everyone has died whilst those who have made a series of bad calls have walked away. I watched a video today that highlighted that last point perfectly. You can find the video on Ben Sandilands' blog.
It will be interesting to read the ATSB report.
OK I will take the bait! My unueducated guess is that you would expect more injuries evacuating a 380 compared to a 330 as there are (usually) more SOB to evacuate from the 380.
So thats one injury from a staged test where no one is stressed, no one is in wheel chairs or with other health difficulties and probably most participants were off duty cabin crew and at least had a better level of understanding and fitness compared to an average load of pax. Be interesting to know injury stats from real evacuations!
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