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I did my CPL and MEIR all in NZ full time course and have now moved over to OZ. I reckon you best bet would be to stay over here in OZ work in the mines to fund your training. Then get a job over here so much more flying work here
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Mate,
If you hate the job that you are in now, then you have already answered your own question.
If flying is what will make you happy then do it!
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."- Leonardo da Vinci.
If you hate the job that you are in now, then you have already answered your own question.
If flying is what will make you happy then do it!
"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."- Leonardo da Vinci.
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ThatPilot,
There are some wise words in the above postings, and some less so.
I have taken the liberty of extracting some quotes and of adding my two pence worth…
On timing…
Mate if I were you I would stick it out in the resources sector. Sure get your PPL, CPL, MECIR, IR or whatever else you feel like. At the end of the day, you will find it a lot less stressful and more enjoyable doing the flying that you want to do for leisure.
In your position, id keep making the bucks, and if instruction is something your into, move into that part time while you work towards twin/ Ifr etc.
You will get to a point in a few years where you will have the best of both worlds and be able to make a choice.
I would be putting to you that you should stick in the money job for now. Do some recreational flying on the days off if you like.
Gain flying and industry insight in your spare time for at least a couple of years on your current income and then consider a full time CPL course while knocking over basic subjects when convenient.
On Women…
If this is the girl you're going to marry... just stick with a job like you currently have - one that lets you fly for fun on weekends.
I will say it's fun for a while but eventually gets pretty lonely and you will probably wish at some point that you'd stuck with what is good on the girlfriend side of things.
An aeroplane can be an exciting and stimulating companion. However, they are bloody cold and heartless to cuddle up to on a Winters’ night or when you need TLC after a long day.
On Training….
Flying in NZ would be the go. I would even consider buying an aircraft, Tomahawk or Cherokee 140 or similar could be considered.
I would even consider popping a few of the exams while you are at it.
Read extensively, hang around airports/flyers etc on your days off, ask lots of questions and you will be surprised at the opportunities!
Cheaper to train in NZ and if committing to training to at least CPL buying your own aircraft will be financially favourable if you can access a quality instructor. Aim for something with a little more horsepower than a 140 and with a good panel which you may then be able to put online with your flying school (tax deduction).
On Money….
Remember you won't ever earn that sort of coin in aviation until you become a capt on a Jet. Realistically that sort of money is 10+ years away or if you chose to fly for a NZ airline you will probably never see that sort of pay cheque ever again
The cash reality is that the wage in GA is unsustainable until you become chief this or that.
I would bank as much as I possibly could for the next three years then reassess.
(i) Keep working in the mining gig to finance your flying to frozen ATPL;
(ii) (ii) Keep out of debt;
What they said (FYI ‘frozen ATPL isn’t Antarctic flying!’)
Hope this helps.
LD
There are some wise words in the above postings, and some less so.
I have taken the liberty of extracting some quotes and of adding my two pence worth…
On timing…
Mate if I were you I would stick it out in the resources sector. Sure get your PPL, CPL, MECIR, IR or whatever else you feel like. At the end of the day, you will find it a lot less stressful and more enjoyable doing the flying that you want to do for leisure.
In your position, id keep making the bucks, and if instruction is something your into, move into that part time while you work towards twin/ Ifr etc.
You will get to a point in a few years where you will have the best of both worlds and be able to make a choice.
I would be putting to you that you should stick in the money job for now. Do some recreational flying on the days off if you like.
Gain flying and industry insight in your spare time for at least a couple of years on your current income and then consider a full time CPL course while knocking over basic subjects when convenient.
On Women…
If this is the girl you're going to marry... just stick with a job like you currently have - one that lets you fly for fun on weekends.
I will say it's fun for a while but eventually gets pretty lonely and you will probably wish at some point that you'd stuck with what is good on the girlfriend side of things.
An aeroplane can be an exciting and stimulating companion. However, they are bloody cold and heartless to cuddle up to on a Winters’ night or when you need TLC after a long day.
On Training….
Flying in NZ would be the go. I would even consider buying an aircraft, Tomahawk or Cherokee 140 or similar could be considered.
I would even consider popping a few of the exams while you are at it.
Read extensively, hang around airports/flyers etc on your days off, ask lots of questions and you will be surprised at the opportunities!
Cheaper to train in NZ and if committing to training to at least CPL buying your own aircraft will be financially favourable if you can access a quality instructor. Aim for something with a little more horsepower than a 140 and with a good panel which you may then be able to put online with your flying school (tax deduction).
On Money….
Remember you won't ever earn that sort of coin in aviation until you become a capt on a Jet. Realistically that sort of money is 10+ years away or if you chose to fly for a NZ airline you will probably never see that sort of pay cheque ever again
The cash reality is that the wage in GA is unsustainable until you become chief this or that.
I would bank as much as I possibly could for the next three years then reassess.
(i) Keep working in the mining gig to finance your flying to frozen ATPL;
(ii) (ii) Keep out of debt;
What they said (FYI ‘frozen ATPL isn’t Antarctic flying!’)
Hope this helps.
LD
Last edited by LookinDown; 7th Jul 2012 at 07:50.
The world is going to be a very different place in five years time when the bottom has fallen out of the resources sector and the Aussie dollar is barely good enough for toilet paper. I'd be milking your current opportunties as much as possible and diversifying the proceeds in various asset classes except Aussie real-estate.
Being a shrewd investor and saver now will give you more enjoyable flying hours in the future than turning yourself into a slave to a bank manager and some marginally profitable flying organisation...
Being a shrewd investor and saver now will give you more enjoyable flying hours in the future than turning yourself into a slave to a bank manager and some marginally profitable flying organisation...
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For a start: Don't take any notice of anything that has been posted on this site by the self important knowalls that populate it.
The GF........She seems to have your life together mapped out according to your first post (being a kiwi girl, this would be normal), so just ask her about how she sees your career in aviation, cos that's how its gonna be if you stay manacled to a scheming bossy cow like that.
Problem solved
HD
The GF........She seems to have your life together mapped out according to your first post (being a kiwi girl, this would be normal), so just ask her about how she sees your career in aviation, cos that's how its gonna be if you stay manacled to a scheming bossy cow like that.
Problem solved
HD
Paul Damian
This pretty well sums things up as I see it.
Once you have the cash come back to New Zealand and do your CPL, MEIR and if desired an Instructor rating. You will find the training as good if not better than in OZ and cheaper. Since it appears you want to move back here to live you will also be able to make contacts for future work.
In my opinion the ANZ programme is way over rated. 99% of the graduates will end up back in GA before they get a shot through the Recruit To Group process. The Airline prep course which is one of the main points of difference with the ANZ programme will be offered by other providers any way.
Find a school/aero club near to where you want to live and join their full time course.
P.S. There ain't no such thing as a frozen ATPL in NZ.
We are here for a very little period of time. Do want you want to do.
If you have a burning desire to be a pilot - do it.
Don't worry about the money, poverty, women, property, children, education etc.. - that will all fall into place. Everything is a compromise.
My advice:
(i) Keep working in the mining gig to finance your flying to frozen ATPL;
(ii) Keep out of debt;
(iii) Search for opportunities in aviation and take whatever you can;
(iv) Don't commit to a relationship unless she (or he as the case may be) is 100% supportive financially and willing to move;
(v) Do it becasue that is what you want to do. if you disciver that being a pilot is not what its all cracked up to be, find another vocation (preferably not the law) or move back into mining.
(vi) Don't be dissuaded by the incidence of difficult or ar5ehole people in the industry. I can assure you that the incidence of ar5ehole and difficult people is consistent accross almost all industries and employment, unless you want to become a buddhist monk.
If you don't have any other competing commitments, passions or desires, then you have nothing to lose except a bit of time and money.
If you have a burning desire to be a pilot - do it.
Don't worry about the money, poverty, women, property, children, education etc.. - that will all fall into place. Everything is a compromise.
My advice:
(i) Keep working in the mining gig to finance your flying to frozen ATPL;
(ii) Keep out of debt;
(iii) Search for opportunities in aviation and take whatever you can;
(iv) Don't commit to a relationship unless she (or he as the case may be) is 100% supportive financially and willing to move;
(v) Do it becasue that is what you want to do. if you disciver that being a pilot is not what its all cracked up to be, find another vocation (preferably not the law) or move back into mining.
(vi) Don't be dissuaded by the incidence of difficult or ar5ehole people in the industry. I can assure you that the incidence of ar5ehole and difficult people is consistent accross almost all industries and employment, unless you want to become a buddhist monk.
If you don't have any other competing commitments, passions or desires, then you have nothing to lose except a bit of time and money.
Once you have the cash come back to New Zealand and do your CPL, MEIR and if desired an Instructor rating. You will find the training as good if not better than in OZ and cheaper. Since it appears you want to move back here to live you will also be able to make contacts for future work.
In my opinion the ANZ programme is way over rated. 99% of the graduates will end up back in GA before they get a shot through the Recruit To Group process. The Airline prep course which is one of the main points of difference with the ANZ programme will be offered by other providers any way.
Find a school/aero club near to where you want to live and join their full time course.
P.S. There ain't no such thing as a frozen ATPL in NZ.
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Better be unhappy about a girl for a short time now than a long time later.
Unless she supports your aviation career it is going to be very very painful, for you and for her.
just my 2c
Unless she supports your aviation career it is going to be very very painful, for you and for her.
just my 2c
Originally Posted by FRQ Charlie Bravo
PS It is possible to do this with a VERY understanding partner.
thatpilot make sure you let your girlfriend know exactly what you are aiming for and where you might possibly end up living along the way. Explain the lack of job security, the fact that she may end up in an office job outback somewhere, earning more than you do, but she may have to chuck it in so you can move to chase that next step with little notice. Rental accommodation is in high demand in most of the usual GA haunts, so paying a lot of money on a dilapidated shoebox is normal.
If you or she have any doubts about this step, you need to sort them out NOW. Otherwise it will just niggle away and things will all come to a head when you least expect it. The outcomes have proven time and again to be very messy. It's not called Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome for nothing.
If you can make it work together, your relationship will be all the stronger and the envy of others. Good luck!
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Mate I did it with a wife and three kids. Hard yes, worth it, totally.
I worked for 20 years in a job I hated just for the money. Been flying for 9 years and still go to work with a smile on my face. Job satisfaction is where it's at.
I worked in oz for a few years before getting my current gig here in NZ.
My own observations are that it might be better opportunity wise in OZ. get a job and a few hours under your belt and make decisions from there
I worked for 20 years in a job I hated just for the money. Been flying for 9 years and still go to work with a smile on my face. Job satisfaction is where it's at.
I worked in oz for a few years before getting my current gig here in NZ.
My own observations are that it might be better opportunity wise in OZ. get a job and a few hours under your belt and make decisions from there
