Look for a C- 180
Cessna corrosion programme
There will be plenty of pots and pans once Mr Cessna has cleaned out the fleet with the corrosion inpection programme. Short story if you have if you have a good clean machine no big deal, just some man hours to inspect. But all the neglected tired and rotten airframes will be beyond economic repair. The 180/185s tend to survive as they are worth more but an old nose wheel cessna and some old 180s will be running out of options. Good news is the survivers will be worth more once they pass and the ranks are thinned out.
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Cessna SID's
The 100 Series were published about 6 weeks ago.
The Cessna 172M Service Manual revision issued recently is over 200 pages thick. That is just the additional pages.. !!
Technical Publications
''''''Login to the Customer Access area for more publication information:''''
You will be required to register. It does say it could take 24 hours but I did mine months ago and can't recall now... I thought it was quick and painless though.
Once logged in you will have access to all the 100 and 200 series SID's documents in downloadable pdf format. About 2 MB files.
Click on 100 SE Series. Then on the lower right corner of the next page...
You will see SID Information.
Then the next page will have all the active links to all the Service Manual revisions that have just been released.
SID Documents
100 Series and 200 Series HPSE
Examples being :-
D138-1TR7 (Model 100 Series 1953 - 1962 Serv. Man.)
D470-TR6 (Model 200 Series 1960 - 1965 Serv. Man.)
D637-1TR9 (Model 100 Series 1963 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D606-2TR7 (Model 200 Series 1966 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D841-8TR8 (Model 177 Series 1968 - 1978 Serv. Man.)
D693-1TR8 (Centurion Series 1969 Serv. Man.)
D849-5TR7 (Reims Rocket 1968 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D2004-5TR11 (Model 210 Series 1970 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D971-3TR6 (Model 150 Series 1969 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
The Cessna 172M Service Manual revision issued recently is over 200 pages thick. That is just the additional pages.. !!
Technical Publications
''''''Login to the Customer Access area for more publication information:''''
You will be required to register. It does say it could take 24 hours but I did mine months ago and can't recall now... I thought it was quick and painless though.
Once logged in you will have access to all the 100 and 200 series SID's documents in downloadable pdf format. About 2 MB files.
Click on 100 SE Series. Then on the lower right corner of the next page...
You will see SID Information.
Then the next page will have all the active links to all the Service Manual revisions that have just been released.
SID Documents
100 Series and 200 Series HPSE
Examples being :-
D138-1TR7 (Model 100 Series 1953 - 1962 Serv. Man.)
D470-TR6 (Model 200 Series 1960 - 1965 Serv. Man.)
D637-1TR9 (Model 100 Series 1963 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D606-2TR7 (Model 200 Series 1966 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D841-8TR8 (Model 177 Series 1968 - 1978 Serv. Man.)
D693-1TR8 (Centurion Series 1969 Serv. Man.)
D849-5TR7 (Reims Rocket 1968 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D2004-5TR11 (Model 210 Series 1970 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D971-3TR6 (Model 150 Series 1969 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
1915,
For the 185, SIDS is now incorporated into the Service Manual, as I understand it.
You have until towards the end of 2014 to complete the required inspections, as I understand it.
I'm sure others may have a different view.
From your photos, you would be in an ideal situation to complete these during the rebuild.
Mine falls into the severe use category but not the severe corrosion zone.
I'll keep you posted on how it goes. Hopefully there are no major surprises lurking.
185
For the 185, SIDS is now incorporated into the Service Manual, as I understand it.
You have until towards the end of 2014 to complete the required inspections, as I understand it.
I'm sure others may have a different view.
From your photos, you would be in an ideal situation to complete these during the rebuild.
Mine falls into the severe use category but not the severe corrosion zone.
I'll keep you posted on how it goes. Hopefully there are no major surprises lurking.
185
what... to Airvan or something?
Or 185 used aluminium sales? I hope not.
Interesting times ahead for the fleet, I fear.
Or 185 used aluminium sales? I hope not.
Interesting times ahead for the fleet, I fear.
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There is a 67 C185E just listed for $215k freshly restored.
What do you guys feel about the future of C185's keeping in mind the SID's program etc. Does the type have a commercial role in say 5/10 years time ? Will GA8's or C208's or the like replace it with their seat capacity & turbine engines ... even at the high capital cost ?
Taking one back to zero time is good right ? What will it cost to own & operate a mint condition, well equipped example in say 2020 ? Over capitalisation is always an issue, but quality alway's prevails to the discerning buyer I expect, from a business perspective.
What do you guys feel about the future of C185's keeping in mind the SID's program etc. Does the type have a commercial role in say 5/10 years time ? Will GA8's or C208's or the like replace it with their seat capacity & turbine engines ... even at the high capital cost ?
Taking one back to zero time is good right ? What will it cost to own & operate a mint condition, well equipped example in say 2020 ? Over capitalisation is always an issue, but quality alway's prevails to the discerning buyer I expect, from a business perspective.
Last edited by Skywagon1915; 5th Jul 2012 at 12:32.
And just how do you propose to "take one back to zero time"? Short of having a time machine I can not see how you could do this.
Direct link to the 180 / 185 SIDs is
https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/...df?as_id=37409
Direct link to the 180 / 185 SIDs is
https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/...df?as_id=37409
Cessna states in the SIds doc that the 180/185 should be retired at 30000 hours. I guess that would apply to all the 100's.
My inspection is going ok, at this stage.
My inspection is going ok, at this stage.
For 180 / 185
The Supplemental Structural Inspection Program is valid for Model 180/185 airplanes with less than 30,000 flight hours. Beyond this, continued airworthiness of the airplane can no longer be assured. Retirement of this airframe is recommended when 30,000 flight hours has been accumulated.
For 206
The Supplemental Structural Inspection Program is valid for Model 206 airplanes with less than 40,000 flight hours. Beyond this, continued airworthiness of the airplane can no longer be assured. Retirement of this airframe is recommended when 40,000 flight hours has been accumulated.
The Supplemental Structural Inspection Program is valid for Model 180/185 airplanes with less than 30,000 flight hours. Beyond this, continued airworthiness of the airplane can no longer be assured. Retirement of this airframe is recommended when 30,000 flight hours has been accumulated.
For 206
The Supplemental Structural Inspection Program is valid for Model 206 airplanes with less than 40,000 flight hours. Beyond this, continued airworthiness of the airplane can no longer be assured. Retirement of this airframe is recommended when 40,000 flight hours has been accumulated.
Last edited by edsbar; 5th Jul 2012 at 21:51.
MFX
saabsforever: "The Moresby 185 is P2 MFX, an ex MAF machine owned by Mack Lee in the 90s. It is a nice one to fly I took it to Kerama and back once".
Last edited by Skywagon1915; 14th Jul 2012 at 01:50.
