Barry Hempel Inquest

[Lodown]

This really sounds like something that CASA should have been all over; monitoring the company in the immediate aftermath of his licence revocation and taking necessary enforcement action.

I would guess that if nothing untoward appeared on the paperwork, then the CASA had no compunction to intervene. In the past 35 years or so, it seems that the CASA's modus operandi has been "pro-active and pre-emptive". If the paperwork is fine, then there is nothing wrong with the company or the person. (Heavy on sarcasm.)

[Capt Fathom]

Generally speaking....

Any sort of bump to the head, brain surgery, tumor, head trauma, will disqualify you from holding a valid medical for minimum of 12 months or longer at the discretion of CASA.

[Kharon]

Trojan - In the above case maybe not, but the coroner's court is the most effective forum for exposing every aspect of such tragic events; and certainly has proven effective at changing safety culture and regulation in other industries.

Tailwheel - I am also concerned that CASA may in some way, influence the Coroner's findings.

Sarcs - perhaps the coroner would do well to talk to Senator Fawcett before passing the findings and recommendations!.

Ll@@8 - There's a lot of very angry people attached to this case who want justice, now and forever in the future.

All true of so many cases.

[Tidbinbilla]

There will be no further discussion of matters relating to Mr. Hempel, apart from the inquest.

THAT IS ALL

TID

[TunaBum]

Interesting "exchange" yesterday (I understand) between the Coroner and CASA's Counsel (yes you guessed it - Ian Harvey). Tempers "appearing" to get a little frayed. Rest day today.......perhaps just as well.

Bedderseagle may be willing to elaborate with first hand account?

To fill in some other "blanks", Counsel assisting the Coroner is Ms Karen Carmody, and ATSB are not involved/represented.


TB

[Sarcs]

CASA's Counsel (yes you guessed it - Ian Harvey).

So Fort Fumble's "Mr Fix-it", sure sign that Albo's circus are a little concerned over this inquest....yes indeed an inquest worth monitoring!

Hey TB any media interest yet?

[Frank Arouet]

Counsel assisting the Coroner is Ms Karen Carmody. It's not Mr Harvey this time.

Search: QLDBAR Database Carmody.

[Sarcs]

Counsel assisting the Coroner is Ms Karen Carmody. It's not Mr Harvey this time.

Well Frank at least it's not the 'enemy within' this time!

[Up-into-the-air]

Primary Flight Control Failure??

My information has Nanchang and Yak's with 95% exchangeable parts and that there have been primary flight control failures in the recent past in these aircraft types.

My questions is in this are:

1. Was this a primary control failure??

2. Was this similar to the un-investigated fatal crash of a Nanchang at Moruya??

3. Are there any other failures in the past that have occurred in either Yak's or Nanchang's??

4. What other accidents have not been investigated??

5. What is the complicity in this of Warbirds??

6. Have there been any AD's issued??? [particularly regarding inspections of primary flight controls]??

Answers please

Please don't let the chance to have a really good look at what has happened and the relationship to other similar fatal's or near fatal's in these types of aircraft go by this opportunity to explore all the facts.

[Frank Arouet]

Well Frank at least it's not the 'enemy within' this time!

Quiet so, however one hopes she is up to the job. She, as junior Counsel and Harvey, the consumate Rottweiler will control the "billycart" unless she proves her worth here. If she is "trod on" with bull$hit that The Coroner doesn't understand, it may well be advisable to take the transport lawyer bit off her CV.

Pessamists are never disappointed, but in this case I hope I am, and she proves combatative enough to advise The Coroner correctly.

[Macroderma]

Frank,

she seems to be well on top of the facts, and takes no rubbish from the witnesses !!

[Macroderma]

Sarcs,

I believe a gentleman from the press was in attendance all day today, and took copious notes!

he represents one of the more credible news organisations, so stay tuned!!

[Kharon]

Macroderma - I believe a gentleman from the press was in attendance all day today, and took copious notes!.

There was one of them at the Lockhart River gig as well; pretty fearless, talented and he knew a bit about sorting donkey pooh (blame Grip Pipe) from pony pooh.

Ask Mr. Ben Sandilands about the perils of reporting on fatal air accidents in Australia; it's quite a story children.

Regrettably, not mine to tell, but as they say - time reveals all truths.

[Sunfish]

The problem is that legalities are more important than common sense.

"Why didn't CASA take action"? Is exactly the same question social workers get asked "Why didn't you remove that abused child from its drunken parent?"

The answer of course is that CASA, like the social worker, has to prepare a fully documented legal case, with every i dotted and t crossed, because the offended parent/aviator is going to let loose a lawyer shouting "Nazi Jackboot thugs!" , "denied natural justice!", "procedural fairness!", etc. etc.

If Mr. Hempel had successfully weathered "a hundred" rounds with CASA, I think it is unfair to blame CASA for perhaps being measured, thorough and perhaps slow in attempting to clip Mr. Hempels wings yet again.

Give CASA a break.

[Kharon]

Give CASA a break.

Big ask Sunny, huge. Long answer;

DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with FAA ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with ICAO?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Senators ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Coroners?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with AAT ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Courts ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Operators ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Operations ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Audits ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Pilots ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Air Traffic Control?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with ATSB data?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Reg reform?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Maintenance?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Airports?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Medicals ?.
DO they have a track record of fair, honest reasonable dealing with Admin?.

Perhaps, if you could tick Yes to any of the above boxes, the entire aviation community would support their (CASA) endeavours and applaud their reasoned restraint dealing with matters that affect the life and well being of the public and industry.

Little of the interest is with 'this' matter, the real story is the hope of forcing an inquiry into the regulator.

Do you imagine, for one minute that the tip of this iceberg is dragged up 'ad infinitum' on Pprune just for typing exercise ?.

Talk to the many folks affected by the erratic often bizarre antics of this, variously described as moribund, recalcitrant, arrogant, incompetent, administration. Plenty of seriously qualified people itching to step up to the mark at any form of honest inquiry or commission into any or all of these matters.

Short answer – no way Jose`.

[The Butcher's Dog]

"Give Casa a break"

Yes.......broken up into bits and started again!

[Torres]

With Barry Hemple operating commercial flights from his office at Archerfield, just a stone thow from the old Tower, how could CASA and everyone else on the field not know??

[Ejector]

maybe he did not do it between 9:30am and 3:00pm M-F, the only time the CASA staff seem to do anything.

[jetfighter]

Tragic disaster, condolences go to all those involved.

I hope there are some decent recommendations implemented to save future innocent lives.

The general public are not aware of all the policies and procedures required to operate these companies. Even proof of licences (Company & Pilot) should be shown to the public prior to flying should be mandatory for these types of flights.

Something needs to change as we cant keep loosing innocent lives.

[TunaBum]

I believe a gentleman from the press was in attendance all day today, and took copious notes!

Will make for interesting reading - what with witnesses falling suddenly ill during examination and having to be taken by ambulance to hospital! Luckily other witnesses in attendance were ambo's (from previous attendance to Barry's seizure in 2003) who assisted....

I think the Coroner will have been convinced from yesterday's evidence that Barry was an undiagnosed epileptic who shouldn't have been (undiagnosed that is....... ).

TB