Gillards Carbon Tax and effect on Aviation fuel
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The excise ~ $0.38 on mogas is for ROADS
As we and other off road fuel users we shouldnt be paying excise to the same level as road users
Off road users pay the tax then get rebated some of it. (so do heavy freight too which I dont really understand)
Add $0.38 to the $2.15 we pay now and it indicates real comparative price we are paying vs road users
As we and other off road fuel users we shouldnt be paying excise to the same level as road users
Off road users pay the tax then get rebated some of it. (so do heavy freight too which I dont really understand)
Add $0.38 to the $2.15 we pay now and it indicates real comparative price we are paying vs road users
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The excise ~ $0.38 on mogas is for ROADS
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Hmmm... corrupted climate science and a corrupted prime minister = a corrupt tax (tax, trading, whatever)
How will being forced to pay a corrupt tax affect those paying it... knowing they are paying good money to sooth some muppets hysteria or line some climate scammers pockets....... when you know you are paying for a corrupt scam how do that change yer.........
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"...Most of the developed countries have institutionalised their greenhouse activity within government agencies devoted specifically to mitigation of global warming. Their budgets are enormous. It is not likely that the public servants who staff them will be receptive to doubts about their reason for existence. Nor for that matter, are the actual research institutions concerned with global warming likely to bite the hand that feeds them..."
Via Garth Paltridge, Atmospheric physicist and former Chief Research Scientist CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
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Hmmm... corrupted climate science and a corrupted prime minister = a corrupt tax (tax, trading, whatever)
How will being forced to pay a corrupt tax affect those paying it... knowing they are paying good money to sooth some muppets hysteria or line some climate scammers pockets....... when you know you are paying for a corrupt scam how do that change yer.........
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"...Most of the developed countries have institutionalised their greenhouse activity within government agencies devoted specifically to mitigation of global warming. Their budgets are enormous. It is not likely that the public servants who staff them will be receptive to doubts about their reason for existence. Nor for that matter, are the actual research institutions concerned with global warming likely to bite the hand that feeds them..."
Via Garth Paltridge, Atmospheric physicist and former Chief Research Scientist CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research
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A bit added to ya fuel bill... she'll be right, its such a small amount.....
Every bit of added cost soon adds up...
"...company plans to shut its aluminium smelter in the NSW Hunter Valley...
...The smelter employs 344 people...
...review of the plant has revealed it would not be profitable in the short term, and its long-term viability would be negatively affected by increasing energy costs and the carbon tax..."
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A bit added to ya fuel bill... she'll be right, its such a small amount.....
Every bit of added cost soon adds up...
"...company plans to shut its aluminium smelter in the NSW Hunter Valley...
...The smelter employs 344 people...
...review of the plant has revealed it would not be profitable in the short term, and its long-term viability would be negatively affected by increasing energy costs and the carbon tax..."
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The tertiary industries are going to be heavily impacted. Gotta wonder how long before Labor starts handing out more rebates to get manufacturing to remain. Before long, the middle class will again be bearing the brunt of the costs of sending money to the IPCC and third world countries despite the rhetoric from the idiots in Canberra.
Flying Binghi - apparently the plant in question had an earlier round of redundancies and closed 1/3 of its capacity a few months back, and is an old and inefficient plant that was racking up substantial losses that were forecast to continue. The losses were due to, among other things, a significant drop in world aluminium prices combined with the high Aussie dollar. If you have a look here CLIMATE SPECTATOR: Abbott's furnace for carbon tax facts | Daniel Palmer | Commentary | Business Spectator
they discuss some of the reasons behind the plant closure ($6-$7 million/month in losses) and how the carbon tax isnt a significant factor. They aren't too complimentary of how it has been blamed on the carbon tax, and it looks to be another example of everything bad that happens being blamed on "the big bad carbon tax" by politicians keen to make hay while they can.
they discuss some of the reasons behind the plant closure ($6-$7 million/month in losses) and how the carbon tax isnt a significant factor. They aren't too complimentary of how it has been blamed on the carbon tax, and it looks to be another example of everything bad that happens being blamed on "the big bad carbon tax" by politicians keen to make hay while they can.
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Yup, that's politicians for you; if we can't find a real case, we'll just make one up...
I am surprised these smelters even run on electricity. Burning stuff to turn it into heat to drive turbines to turn into electricity, then turning it back into heat. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Anyone know the reason for doing it in such a seemingly inefficient way?
I am surprised these smelters even run on electricity. Burning stuff to turn it into heat to drive turbines to turn into electricity, then turning it back into heat. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Anyone know the reason for doing it in such a seemingly inefficient way?
I understand the aluminium production process itself is what uses so much electricity - its a chemical process to transform the base product to pure aluminium that requires the input of large amounts of electricity, so its not just using the electricity for heating purposes. 
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I am surprised these smelters even run on electricity. Burning stuff to turn it into heat to drive turbines to turn into electricity, then turning it back into heat. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I'm trying to sell a Harbour Bridge to fund a Wind Farm and vegan collective Coconut farm in Tasmania to continue the project but can't get Gov't funding.
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Bauxite....easy to get! Especially in Weipa and close by.
Shipping to Alumina refinery, just like other ores
Turning Bauxite into Alumina, LOTS of energy required.
Turning Alumina into Aluminium/Aluminum takes cubic amounts of the above.
I have a mate (RV10 owner also) who is a senior Rio Tinto engineer, and his thoughts on the carbon tax and its affect on his industry would fill a page of
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This tax sux, it will do nothing more than kill Australian industry and jobs, and create a bigger burden on the government than it provides. Anyone who can't see this is beyond help.
Shipping to Alumina refinery, just like other ores
Turning Bauxite into Alumina, LOTS of energy required.
Turning Alumina into Aluminium/Aluminum takes cubic amounts of the above.
I have a mate (RV10 owner also) who is a senior Rio Tinto engineer, and his thoughts on the carbon tax and its affect on his industry would fill a page of
's.This tax sux, it will do nothing more than kill Australian industry and jobs, and create a bigger burden on the government than it provides. Anyone who can't see this is beyond help.
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So you agree with my plan of action? (please don't).
EDIT: Lang Hancock and Joh Peterson attempted to build a railway from the Pilbarra, where the Iron Ore was, to Gladstone/ Cairns (forgot), where the coal was, so that one train going one way would supplement the train going the other way to keep the value adding part of industry in Aust instead of shipping it offshore from both east and west coasts and bring it back already value added.
Both visionaries, both dead, and both ridiculed by political opportunists.
Imagine the jobs?
Now Australia is a quarry for China.
EDIT: Lang Hancock and Joh Peterson attempted to build a railway from the Pilbarra, where the Iron Ore was, to Gladstone/ Cairns (forgot), where the coal was, so that one train going one way would supplement the train going the other way to keep the value adding part of industry in Aust instead of shipping it offshore from both east and west coasts and bring it back already value added.
Both visionaries, both dead, and both ridiculed by political opportunists.
Imagine the jobs?
Now Australia is a quarry for China.
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Hmmm... aparently others know better then the owners of the plant..
Repeat - reasons given by the company for plant closing...
"...review of the plant has revealed it would not be profitable in the short term, and its long-term viability would be negatively affected by increasing energy costs and the carbon tax..."
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Hmmm... aparently others know better then the owners of the plant..
via De_flieger; ....they discuss some of the reasons behind the plant closure ($6-$7 million/month in losses) and how the carbon tax isnt a significant factor.
"...review of the plant has revealed it would not be profitable in the short term, and its long-term viability would be negatively affected by increasing energy costs and the carbon tax..."
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Flying Binghi - the link I posted has the quotes from the company where they state, and I quote from the article here:
a Hydro spokesman told Climate Spectator that while the carbon tax “is one of a number of factors that will add cost in the future”, it is “not a significant factor” in its decision to push toward a curtailment of operations. “We are currently losing $6-7 million dollars per month (cash) – that is before the carbon tax has come into effect,” the spokesman confirmed.
DF I think you will find the company is talking about the 'here and now' situation. However all companies run projected forecasts (especially this one) to see if there is a possibility of fighting there way out of the situation they are currently in.
It is a 'no brainer' that the carbon tax is yet another nail in the coffin when you are already running at a loss.
The other side of the coin, with that statement, is that the company also has other plants/interests that have been propped up by government subsidy, so you don't bite the hand that feeds you!
It is a 'no brainer' that the carbon tax is yet another nail in the coffin when you are already running at a loss.
The other side of the coin, with that statement, is that the company also has other plants/interests that have been propped up by government subsidy, so you don't bite the hand that feeds you!
That's so true 'Frank A'.....Aus is just a quarry for China. That's two holes we have here now,the China quarry & the huge hole 'Juliar' has created,the latter am sure she regrets ever starting to dig as she's gunna bury herself in it at this rate!
Have we got ourselves in a hell of a mess here or what?
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Have we got ourselves in a hell of a mess here or what?
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I have a mate who is a senior Rio Tinto engineer, and his thoughts on the carbon tax and its affect on his industry would fill a page of 's.
Reminds me of all the banks I worked for in London just after the post-9/11 downturn. Laying off thousands (each) so the could still have 8bn in profit instead of 7.5bn.
Cry me a river...
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It is a 'no brainer' that the carbon tax is yet another nail in the coffin when you are already running at a loss
The smelter was doomed with or without the tax, end of story.