Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Temora at Easter - RAA + RV homecoming

Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Temora at Easter - RAA + RV homecoming

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10th Apr 2012, 09:03
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
Age: 74
Posts: 1,384
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
ex RA-Aus, with CASA hats were ramp checking for out of date WAC's.
Not many geological features move around all that much to create a worry that I've heard of.
Arnold E is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 10:03
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: dans un cercle dont le centre est eveywhere et circumfernce n'est nulle part
Posts: 2,606
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm glad someone asked that question:

In the old days we got our maps, charts and NOTAMS for free except the WAC's.

What happened was they issued WAC chart amendments for the times somebody put up a Telecom tower etc. Now no amendments, but you have to have to purchase the updated charts at whatever costs.

Fkuc me! Why don't they just put out a NOTAM advising a new tower being somewhere so you can note it on your WAC?

But we can't interfere with AsA little enterprise can we?

Yes I know, Global Warming has made Mt Conobolas move .0000002 of a mm in the last century.

I'm wrong as usual, and while people without the means of determining end of daylight die, dickheads with CASA hats chase 95:10 aeroplanes and pilots for the wrong dated charts.

The two dickheads, (Mick and Lee), good blokes, who I thought were good blokes, but gone to the dark side, know my address. (If you don't PM me).

Get your act together or be branded as co-conspitators in the charade we call a regulatory body.

Start by a general issue to RA-Aus of an end of daylight graph at your cost.
Frank Arouet is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 10:30
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,166
Received 16 Likes on 12 Posts
What happened was they issued WAC chart amendments for the times somebody put up a Telecom tower etc. Now no amendments ....
I don't see much has changed with WACs in the last 40 years or so. Some-one will know how often a new edition comes out - seems like about 5 years. Of course they last a lot longer now as we rarely expose them to sunlight. Haven't you noticed the changes that AirServices tells us about once a year or so? You need to get your old Melbourne WAC out - rub out Wallan, get a pencil and draw a neat tower somewhere and label it "BOM Tower" etc.
... I'm wrong as usual...
Start by a general issue to RA-Aus of an end of daylight graph at your cost.
No reason for them to do that (especially with taxpayers' money).
djpil is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 10:44
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: in the classroom of life
Age: 55
Posts: 6,864
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Frank,

Ask Middo to produce one for you, and besides, who needs a last light chart when you can see the sun going down, and it will go down today about the same time as yesterday.

Fokker me if the reason you think two dead people are the fault of CASA not educating people about last light while at the same time chastising them for checking ERSA and Charts.

Geeezuz Frank, you get pinged by them did ya?

I am happy to be critical of CASA when they deserve it, and often they do, but really, if the average pilot in RAAus can't work out last light, even from memory of when it was getting dark the night before, then CASA really needs to be checking everything from licences to WAC charts.

I actually believe the average pilot standard is higher than that, but if you are suggesting otherwise, maybe it is so?
Jabawocky is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 11:41
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: somewhere in Oz
Age: 54
Posts: 913
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Sadly I don't think checking WACs and licences will fix stupid, Jaba. The small mindedness of it will tend to wind some people up though and have them thinking more about how to avoid prosecution and less about how to avoid danger.

That's the problem with a prescriptive, strict-liability approach to safety. It isn't about safety in the end...
Andy_RR is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 12:57
  #26 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mel-burn
Posts: 4,875
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Those that have something to hide are those that are the "stupid" ones and they wouldn't have attended Natfly anyway... so all you're gonna do is make those that are doing the right thing, feel uncomfortable.

Approximately 20 aircraft (both RA and GA) of circa ~350 in attendance were ramp checked during the weekend. Supposedly no infringements were issued which begs the question of why the police were called to settle a dispute.
VH-XXX is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 21:52
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wentworth
Age: 60
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You were not RAA bashing Jabba, I couldn't see anyone having a reason to disagree with you on this sad state of affairs.
Wallsofchina is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 22:12
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Close
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well at Safe Skies this year CASA had a little stand and were handing out "showbags" .

I scored one and it had lots of good stuff in it, a couple of pens that worked, a couple of very handy flight planning aide memoire pads which was like a scaled down version of the flight plans that were around years ago, a weather decoder and some other stuff that I can't remember because it was more than two days ago....all handed out by a good looking girl with lots of smiles from CASA.

One standout product was the CASA Chamois that I've used an couple of time on the car that actually works quite well.

I thought it was a great idea and I saw alot of people walking around Safe Skies with their CASA "showbags"..(you know who you are). I don't know what the cost of the bag and contents was but there'd be $10 + worth in there all up I guess.

Maybe that might be an idea for them next time to think about. I'm sure there'd be enough room in the bag (which was of quite sturdy construction for brown paper and string) for some other pilot type aides. It'd be money well spent by the regulator not to mention the associated positive marketing strategy application.

Worked for me anyway (probably because it was a freeby..).
Stiky
Stikybeke is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 22:17
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 632
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think there about 2 or 3 pilots left in Australia without my product. Once we add those and no paper charts are being sold anymore, we'll ask Airservices to provide us electronic updates as they happen and we'll draw them on! ;-)

In all seriousness, that's where the industry is headed. It will only take some firm policy clarification and a bit more critical mass before electronic is the standard and we can do updates much more easily and frequently, with a version history so you can be warned when things have changed recently.
baswell is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 22:32
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: in the classroom of life
Age: 55
Posts: 6,864
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Bas

Two devices, iPad and iPhone, along with power source to keep charged.

Acceptable means of compliance.

They can't argue with that


PS: I know modesty will hold you back, but seriously, your product has not only been one of the most useful tools to GA in this country in a long time, but also a massive safety aid as well.

I know people in CASA that speak volumes for what you guys have done. Keep up the good work
Jabawocky is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 22:32
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Close
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I really hope this happens. Aside from all the other obvious benefits, I'd really like to have an electronic Chamois....

Stiky
Stikybeke is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 23:12
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: In the doghouse
Posts: 497
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
The thing about so many of casa's freebies are that they are so impractical for actual use in the air..

The flight planning sheet for example..

I have researched and ordered as many freebies as I can from the casa website, and it seems to me our money would be better spent on giving all pilots with PPL and above free maps and ERSA, then using the huge amount of money saved on online education programs.

Also with the advance of technology , allow the use of tablets for law docs. I have, along with my physical copies( that I never look at) every current casa doc on my iPad, and my back thanks me for it everyday.

All the nice shiny packaging in the world won't polish a turd..
Homesick-Angel is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2012, 23:17
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think the program was a bit misleading.. "Maintaining your lycoming" should have been titled "jabba's church of preaching to the confused"

Anyhow, was an 'interesting' experience seeing this side of aviation operate. Clearly I must have left to early and missed out on the above mentioned Casa clash.
Triple Captain is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 00:21
  #34 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 632
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Jabba, thanks for the kind words.

A couple of FOIs told me for the first time in years VCAs are on the way down. Now I am a big believer in the scientific process and that correlation does not equal causation, but what changed about 9 months ago?

Mind you, I was also told they do find more people just skimming the edges of CTA. Supposedly we need to keep two miles clear. Will need to look that one up as during training, I assumed the 2 miles was for dead reckoning errors, and not a requirement - otherwise they could just extent the airspace by two miles!

The funniest thing about that one was that in an internal FOI briefing, a radio call I made recently was played to demonstrate this! (Lee U. recognised me in the call) The controlled called me up on my YKSC DCT YADG track and warned I was about to enter. I was staying as high as I could as long as I could, so my response was along the lines of: "I am aware, which is why I am descending. I have 1000 feet and 1 mile to go". The controller's main concern was warning me about an aircraft in opposite direction also at 4500.

Small world....
baswell is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 01:16
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Salt Lake City Utah
Posts: 3,079
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
AIP Book ENR 1.1 40
19.12 Avoiding Controlled Airspace

The pilot in command of an aircraft operating in Class G airspace, or to the VFR in Class E airspace, must apply appropriate tolerance to the flight path to ensure that controlled airspace, or restricted areas, are not infringed.

In calculating whether an intended flight path may infringe controlled airspace, the following navigational tolerances must be applied to the intended flight path depending on the method of navigation used. ….



VISUAL (POWERED AIRCRAFT)

0 - 2000 AGL +/- 1NM (+/-2NM by night)
2001 - 5000 AGL +/- 2NM (+/-3NM by night)
5001 – 10,000 AGL +/- 4NM (+/-5NM by night)

….
Bolding added

Perhaps you could add some tinting to the outside edges of the depictions of controlled and restricted airspace boundaries, that automatically applies the tolerance by reference to the aircraft’s height (not altitude).
Creampuff is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 01:22
  #36 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 632
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for that reference. At the moment, we don't display CTA yet (you can view it on the various charts, of course), but it is something we're working on. So when we have that, we'll take these tolerances into account and find a good way to display them.
baswell is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 07:39
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: dans un cercle dont le centre est eveywhere et circumfernce n'est nulle part
Posts: 2,606
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Has anybody tried to do a 1:60 calculation in a 95:10 aircraft?

People know they need a respectable reserve of fuel, but why do people not know they need a reserve of daylight if operating Day VFR.

Is the VFG ever going to be printed again with a distribution to all VFR pilots?
Frank Arouet is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 07:57
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: in the classroom of life
Age: 55
Posts: 6,864
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
but why do people not know they need a reserve of daylight if operating Day VFR.
I think they do. I am not inclined to say what I really think, but lets just say you are alluding to the fatal accident, and a complete lack of planning before and during the flight is the problem.

If that is systemic and widespread, well lord help us. I don't think so.

That prang makes me so mad I best leave it here, because it reflects bad on all sectors of aviation. refer my posts on the dam buster!

Glad to see you are alive and well Frank....been quiet around here without you
Jabawocky is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 10:44
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 632
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Being at the end of 18, I was unfortunate enough to be one of the last people to see them alive.

They had a pretty big landing light on their little trike. A landing light. On a trike.

I don't think this was an isolated case of them bending the rules.
baswell is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2012, 21:54
  #40 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sydney NSW Australia
Posts: 3,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A landing light wouldnt indicate regularly breaking the rules, i have a Landing light on my aircraft, and thinking about installing another HID one, Landing light = Visibility. something that helps, a lot, in areas around sydney, and immensly on overcast days.

Apart from that, spotted a Nice RV-10 parked across the end of a long taxiway, sadly couldnt find the owner to say hi.

though on the subject of RV,s the Numbers are starting to add up on a RV7A Kit with a 0 timed IO360 powerplant. but just how good are they at Aeros in comparison to the Alpha/Robin aircraft im training in at the moment?
Ultralights is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.