Metroliner Wheels Up Landing YBBN
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I've downloaded, resized and uploaded the photo to make it display better here.
Photo from www.atsb.gov.au
Photo from www.atsb.gov.au
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The AFM for the Metro calls for the props to be feathered prior to a wheels up landing with all wheels retracted. Wasn't sure if that happened or not last night, but the photo confirms the feathering, therefore the crew would have had a handful landing and shutting down both engines. Single pilot ops would have made it harder - good two were on board, even if one was under training.
No gear, no flaps and no prop drag - would have been a decent float, definitely would have taken the longer runway myself as well. Wonder if there were any problems opening the cabin door? Hope the crash axe was ready!
No gear, no flaps and no prop drag - would have been a decent float, definitely would have taken the longer runway myself as well. Wonder if there were any problems opening the cabin door? Hope the crash axe was ready!
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A post maintenance test flight at 2am??
(aplogies to Neil Young).IIRC it's not that uncommon. A lot of maintenance at Brisbane is done at night.
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I seriously doubt it was a maintenance flight at that time of the night with that crew composition on board. Someone has their wires crossed. More likely a freight run from Sydney.
And WTF did Tower say an ambulance was on standby, clear to land? That's the last thing you want to be told at that stage.
And WTF did Tower say an ambulance was on standby, clear to land? That's the last thing you want to be told at that stage.
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Is that the the one that was still in the old MacAir scheme and hadn't had the Toll paint job done yet?
And fair enough if the book says both props feathered, i remember a while ago there was a good discussion on here about feathered or un-feathered for wheels up landings and though the general consensus was on water go feathered and on a hard surface keep then un-feathered so the tips bend/break and don't dig in.
(not looking for abuse or mud slinging - just an observation)
And fair enough if the book says both props feathered, i remember a while ago there was a good discussion on here about feathered or un-feathered for wheels up landings and though the general consensus was on water go feathered and on a hard surface keep then un-feathered so the tips bend/break and don't dig in.
(not looking for abuse or mud slinging - just an observation)
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It's certainly about the right time for a freighter, but the initial ATSB investigation reports it as a maintenance flight.
Investigation: AO-2012-024 - Wheels-up landing - Fairchild SA227-AT (Metro), VH-UZA, Brisbane Airport, 15 February 2012
I hear what you're saying, but maybe they had asked for one. Brisbane gets remarkably few incidents given its size, it was 3am, maybe it seemed like a good idea at the time. The trouble with following along with the American Hype Media thing and putting radio communications on the telly is that everyone (myself included
) can ponder over them at leisure and pull apart the decisions and radio calls individuals had to make in an instant. Not having a go, just saying...I doubt there's been an aviation incident yet without everyone involved saying to themselves afterwards, 'well, I could have done that better if I'd had a dress rehearsal...'
What happens, happens. These days, the thought of media scrutiny after the event scares a lot of frontline people more than the potential event itself.
Investigation: AO-2012-024 - Wheels-up landing - Fairchild SA227-AT (Metro), VH-UZA, Brisbane Airport, 15 February 2012
And WTF did Tower say an ambulance was on standby, clear to land? That's the last thing you want to be told at that stage.
) can ponder over them at leisure and pull apart the decisions and radio calls individuals had to make in an instant. Not having a go, just saying...I doubt there's been an aviation incident yet without everyone involved saying to themselves afterwards, 'well, I could have done that better if I'd had a dress rehearsal...' What happens, happens. These days, the thought of media scrutiny after the event scares a lot of frontline people more than the potential event itself.
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I seriously doubt it was a maintenance flight at that time of the night with that crew composition on board. Someone has their wires crossed. More likely a freight run from Sydney.
And WTF did Tower say an ambulance was on standby, clear to land? That's the last thing you want to be told at that stage.
These days, the thought of media scrutiny after the event scares a lot of frontline people more than the potential event itself.
I'm very curious as to why the gear wouldn't come down.
As mentioned earlier they are very simple and maybe the reason is that one main gear wouldn't come down so the Captain elected to land with all the wheels up ... ? I can't remember the procedure for them in that case but it might be better to go for no wheels rather than the nose and one main.
From much earlier, my thoughts on Metros - http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post5229411
As mentioned earlier they are very simple and maybe the reason is that one main gear wouldn't come down so the Captain elected to land with all the wheels up ... ? I can't remember the procedure for them in that case but it might be better to go for no wheels rather than the nose and one main.
From much earlier, my thoughts on Metros - http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post5229411
Looks very like a write off to me. I remember reading about a Metro which retracted the wheels while parked in the bay and ended up as scrap, beyond economic repair. This one is obviously far worse.
Sad to see the old thing like that, I spent many nights in her.
Sad to see the old thing like that, I spent many nights in her.