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Old 28th Jul 2012, 00:58
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If an AOC holder allowed the administration of the company holding the AOC to become as bad as the CLARC administration they would be grounded.
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Old 28th Jul 2012, 03:36
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Going back to Ausdoc's oost:
Actually, many of the GPs in the DAME community are going to have their delegations withdrawn as they have consistently failed to meet the currency requirements to be a DAME. Many of these are the same ones who do only a few medicals a year, make the most errors requiring the medical to be returned to them for correction, and don't use the electronic submission system.
Really??? These GP's are the same guys who do medicals for driving licences, insurance medicals, scuba medicals, fire service medicals, CAMS (car racing) licences and I'm sure many others. Exactly how different is an Aviation Class 2 medical from any of these (and why do they need to be at all different)? Under the current regime of General Practice certification, do you really think CASA has anything to offer in terms of quality assurance or certification? The CASA requirements are lightweight by comparison. If there are endemic mistakes filling out the bureaucratic forms, then maybe its the bureaucracy that requires the review more than the doctors. I'm not a doctor, but I'd make a large bet that the average IQ of a GP is well above the average IQ of the CASA CLARC department. And CASA wants to beat them up because they can't fill out a form properly that CASA designed?

Frankly, the new relaxation of the medical requirements shows that a) its not really that important and pilots aren't really that different from other mortals and b) CASA don't actually understand the critical importance of medicals. If CASA understood this they would have incorporated an altitude differential (eg valid below 8,000ft - note 8,000 not the artificial bureaucratic 5,000ft or 10,000ft thresholds) because low oxygen partial pressure makes many other physiological issues more critical. They might also understand that its energy that causes impact damage, not mass (ie MTOW). Energy has a squared relationship with velocity and a linear relationship with speed (1/2 mv2). So, restricting the speed of aircraft for the new medicals makes more sense than restricting mass. At cruise speed, 2 seat Lancair will make a bigger hole in the suburbs than a 4 seat Auster.
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Old 10th Aug 2012, 06:59
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Renewed my medical on the 2nd May, 2 months later got a letter saying the ECG did not make it to CLARC so re did ECG and faxed it to them that day. Now my 3 months is up and CLARC wont even answer the phone (our office hours are Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm - I am calling during these hours, wankers...)

They still managed to take my payment straight away though.
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Old 10th Aug 2012, 12:54
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I got mine pretty quickly once they got everything sorted out. I can't imagine it's the guys on the phone who are the problem. They don't seem to be able to do much at all and cop an earful as a result of others not doing their part. My delay was probably initially caused by the DAME, who obvious did not understand the form had not gone through.

It would be nice if someone at CASA was keeping an eye open for things that are obviously not right.... Like when they had received my ECG and other associated docs but no form, instead of completely ignoring the situation until its brought to their attention by their customer demanding someone looks into it. Then when someone does say they'll look into it and promises to ring back, you hear nothing (probably because they in turn are ignored by their esteemed colleagues, higher up in Avmed.) At this point, the customer has no choice other than to give up work because their 2 months grace has probably expired.

After daily calls to Avmed and the DAME, they get pretty sick of you and the docs eventually get to the right place... In my case that took 10 weeks. Then you have to wait again because the designated medical person, (who presumably knows nothing of the cockup) has to look at everything. Another week gone!
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 22:25
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Have just done another medical. Interested to see if it comes in a timely manner this time or another debarcle like last time with two arriving the same day.
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Old 13th Nov 2013, 02:00
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Medical and ASIC/license paperwork sent off same day.
Medical back inside two weeks.
Rest yet to appear at the 5 week mark....but they took the money quick smart!
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Old 13th Nov 2013, 02:09
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Got my Class 2 back in just over two weeks mid October.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 00:35
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Medical submitted Dec 11. Medical certificate received Jan 7. Medical dated Dec 1. Dudded out of 6 weeks of validity.

Rang to enquire about the medical on Dec 23. Was told it was waiting payment. The funny thing is that I watched the DAME fax my signed credit card authorisation to CASA on Dec 11.

It took several phonecalls and emails to get the certificate. Each time I was told there was no problem with my medical and it was ready to mail. Each time was a different excuse with a new promise. Each time the promise was broken. This was for a class 1 medical. Lucky I don't depend on my CPL for a living!

My ASIC has fallen due at the same time as the medical. For some idiotic reason I decided to do a class 1 medical instead of the class 2 I've done for the last 1 or 2 renewals and in the meantime I've crossed one of the age thresholds for additional tests. I reckon the combined exercise has pretty much burnt $1k.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 09:30
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Believe it or not I have a good report concerning my last medical!!

Paperwork received at CASA office in CBR 1715 18th December as the receipt forwarded to me said. I checked on Friday 20th late in the day to ensure all paperwork required was there and assured that, yes we have it all.

Lo and behold, in my letterbox on Thursday 2nd January is my new medical certificate. When I saw the letter I assumed some problem - suspicious old bugger that I am! This means that the certificate was posted by lunchtime 24th December, a damned quick turnaround - likely a record.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 09:59
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I have never had a problem. My policy is to make the appointment with the DAME as close to the expiry of my medical as possible. Then I make sure I get the three month DAME renewal stamp and forget about it. Its always appeared before the extension runs out.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 10:11
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Aussie Bob, what happens if your DAME wants further testing and won't re validate your medical until such is done? I'm pretty sure there is like a 30 day grace period where your expiry date doesn't change.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 10:33
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I'm pretty sure there is like a 30 day grace period where your expiry date doesn't change.
I think its 28 days. But it only applies for a renewal of the same grade. I went back up to Class 1 from Class 2, so the extension is not valid.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 10:35
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I should add that I've never had a problem either in 40 years. But this year was a nightmare of bureaucratic indifference.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 11:40
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What I don't understand is why the system can't be like the faa one. Fill out the online form. You go to the doctor. They check you out and if all good then they print put the form and sign it and you walk out the door with medical in hand....
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 13:13
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DAME can revalidate your existing certificate for 2 months.
Can also revalidate your class 2 certificate for 2 months even if you have completed the requirements for issue of a class 1. After all this is still just revalidating your existing certificate.
All provided he/she believes you meet the requirements of course.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 19:59
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Opps, I stand corrected on the extension time and although I have never had a problem, the mindless hassles I see others, particularly students who are taking some minor medication go through is depressing. I agree, the system is broke.

One student in particular spent thousands including several trips to a specialist in a distant city just to prove what his DAME had said all along. Someone less persistent or financial would have given up.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 22:32
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It took me just over 3 months and 4 phone calls + emails to get my Class 2 early last year.
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Old 14th Jan 2014, 07:55
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Two weeks from visit to DAME to receipt of medical in the letterbox for a Class 2. (This was prior to Christmas)

Acceptable turnaround time I think?
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Old 14th Jan 2014, 10:15
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Old 14th Jan 2014, 19:11
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Sorry Spinner, thought I better remove that. Some folks just don't see the funny side. Not that there is one really.
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