CASA strikes again - with video evidence
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CASA strikes again - with video evidence
Heard from a little birdie that a pilot was very recently witnessed performing some antics at a hangar BBQ close to Melbourne and that CASA happened to be there complete with video camera.
Rumour has it that their licence will never ever see the light of day again.
That is literally all I've heard, so would be interested to hear if there is any truth in it!
Absolutely no idea if it was GA or RA-Aus registered, which isn't really the point. The "will never hold a licence again" part was what I was interested in hearing and wonder how that would hold up.
Rumour has it that their licence will never ever see the light of day again.
That is literally all I've heard, so would be interested to hear if there is any truth in it!
Absolutely no idea if it was GA or RA-Aus registered, which isn't really the point. The "will never hold a licence again" part was what I was interested in hearing and wonder how that would hold up.
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Urban myth or fact?
CASA should go back to their own files on all the aircraft they have managed to destroy and in particular one hangar party in Melbourne where a senior mgr was seen taking a child, (presumably his), into an aircraft which shortly after was witnessed by all to neatly gutz itself as the wheels retracted.
Antics indeed!
Antics indeed!
one hangar party in Melbourne where a senior mgr was seen taking a child, (presumably his), into an aircraft which shortly after was witnessed by all to neatly gutz itself as the wheels retracted.
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Yes it was a Merlin.
I remember it now from a PPRUNE thread some time back which listed every aircraft DCA, CAA, DOTARS, CASA, operated and what happened to that machinery. If anyone remembers, feel free to repost it here for nostalgia.
CASA have the worst aviation safety/crash record of any operator in Australia.
I remember it now from a PPRUNE thread some time back which listed every aircraft DCA, CAA, DOTARS, CASA, operated and what happened to that machinery. If anyone remembers, feel free to repost it here for nostalgia.
CASA have the worst aviation safety/crash record of any operator in Australia.
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seriously apple.........................
anyone remember the one in the crash comix where a CAA(CASA) employee wrote a story about his BFR in a bonza and retracted the flaps on roll-out (YSCB) only to find the flap lever also operated the gear.........................
anyone remember the one in the crash comix where a CAA(CASA) employee wrote a story about his BFR in a bonza and retracted the flaps on roll-out (YSCB) only to find the flap lever also operated the gear.........................
Yes, I remember - so what!!! He's not the first person to have this type of mishap and certainly won't be the last. Just because the person involved worked for CASA doesn't mean that they're immune from such events.
Anyway, what's this got to do with this particular thread??
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Anyway, what's this got to do with this particular thread??
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it's got plenty to do with it.
couple of posts mention CASA/CAA/DOT employee's screwing it up in the same way that is available to the rest of us.
Proving they are just as infalliable, when they choose to prosecute us for the slightest mistake.
1 rule for them and 1 for us.
couple of posts mention CASA/CAA/DOT employee's screwing it up in the same way that is available to the rest of us.
Proving they are just as infalliable, when they choose to prosecute us for the slightest mistake.
1 rule for them and 1 for us.
Personally, I don't think so. I can think of numerous pilots that have had "wheels up" landings, ran out of fuel and other issues (VCA's etc) and none of them were prosecuted, had their licences cancelled or anything close to that.
As I said in my previous post, this is getting well off topic.
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As I said in my previous post, this is getting well off topic.
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it's got plenty to do with it.
couple of posts mention CASA/CAA/DOT employee's screwing it up in the same way that is available to the rest of us.
Proving they are just as infalliable, when they choose to prosecute us for the slightest mistake.
couple of posts mention CASA/CAA/DOT employee's screwing it up in the same way that is available to the rest of us.
Proving they are just as infalliable, when they choose to prosecute us for the slightest mistake.
CASA's very own 'acceptance' of Just Culture as a regulated element of the SMS is something they punish us for if we do not 'practise what we preach' in industry, yet they supposedly are beyond the very regulations they enforce and they do not abide by their own rules, they do not treat industry with a 'just approach' from their side of the fence and they do not treat their own internal staff within the context of a 'just culture' either.
VH-MLE, your opinion is noted. I think your comments are a big pile of steaming pony pooh however you are entitled to your opinion as are others.
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I say again:
The whole sorry saga encompasses the Metro, Bill Lord's prang at Tocumwal, The Port Moresby Gliding Club and many many other's that ended in circumstances any private entity would have been hung, drawn and quartered for. And then, for good measure, chucked off a cliff.
Yes many have talked their way out of wheels up landings, but any one operator has never had so many aircraft either destroyed or damaged.
To his credit, a contributor to PPRune who put the A 36 on it's belly mentioned above, wrote a lengthy educational article in the CASA "blurb" which was intended to help prevent further instances. To take shots now is possibly a bit off. Anyway, we all had a go at him years back.
I had a life once, but CASA fkuced that. Any other suggestions?
CASA have the worst aviation safety/crash record of any operator in Australia.
Yes many have talked their way out of wheels up landings, but any one operator has never had so many aircraft either destroyed or damaged.
To his credit, a contributor to PPRune who put the A 36 on it's belly mentioned above, wrote a lengthy educational article in the CASA "blurb" which was intended to help prevent further instances. To take shots now is possibly a bit off. Anyway, we all had a go at him years back.
It happened c43years ago! Get a life please
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It happened c43years ago
Definitely not anywhere near that far back.
I'm sure that the chap concerned (engineering boss at the time) was quite embarrassed but the incident was a useful example of the holes in the cheese lining up nicely. Talking to him only a month or two ago and he is still doing fine these days.
Sometimes the quids and pros line up nicely also.
Some of you might recall a couple of stalwarts dropping the DH125 (CAO) on its belly at Avalon a long time ago (as I recall a Miracle was shooting circuits and had a problem which set them up for a foul up). As it happened the Flying Unit had been trying to get funding to mod the aircraft to a later variant without any success. The gutser provided a convenient circumstance to do the desired upgrade mod.
And, in respect of the OP's philosophical concerns, there is a whole canyon between a screw up - to which we all are at risk - and deliberately inappropriate behaviour - which most of us endeavour to avoid.
Definitely not anywhere near that far back.
I'm sure that the chap concerned (engineering boss at the time) was quite embarrassed but the incident was a useful example of the holes in the cheese lining up nicely. Talking to him only a month or two ago and he is still doing fine these days.
Sometimes the quids and pros line up nicely also.
Some of you might recall a couple of stalwarts dropping the DH125 (CAO) on its belly at Avalon a long time ago (as I recall a Miracle was shooting circuits and had a problem which set them up for a foul up). As it happened the Flying Unit had been trying to get funding to mod the aircraft to a later variant without any success. The gutser provided a convenient circumstance to do the desired upgrade mod.
And, in respect of the OP's philosophical concerns, there is a whole canyon between a screw up - to which we all are at risk - and deliberately inappropriate behaviour - which most of us endeavour to avoid.
different strokes...
I'll have to remember that one in case of a future foul up...Mirage/Hornet/F35 in the circuit, hence I stopped flying the aeroplane and paying attention to its configuration.
Thing is if you are with CASA yr colleagues will change any criminality/misfeasance to just a simple breach of the "code of conduct"... a CYA doc.if ever there was one.
Remember the AyaToller. (Other) People get crucified for not entering a defect in to ther MR. The recommendation that his go to the CDPP fell off the LSD handcart and into the shredder/rubbish chute/whatever.
Not something that happens to the industry individual.
Bang! Gotcha.!
The Stasi like to go out with a video camera with a view to recording something, anything!!, that in their opine might have a bearing on "safety" as
they think it should be.
We should (must) play the same game. Any approach by any CASA person who wants a chat...you must have that pocket video or sound recorder ON.
Talk to any CASA person on yr own... AT YR PERIL.
As for the BBQ antics..what were they ???
CASA doesnt even have to get a conviction. They can cancel a licence, deem "not a fit and proper person" and the victim has a life sentence without justice. eg.. J Quadrio.
A regulator with a "just culture"? justar$e, rather.
Thing is if you are with CASA yr colleagues will change any criminality/misfeasance to just a simple breach of the "code of conduct"... a CYA doc.if ever there was one.
Remember the AyaToller. (Other) People get crucified for not entering a defect in to ther MR. The recommendation that his go to the CDPP fell off the LSD handcart and into the shredder/rubbish chute/whatever.
Not something that happens to the industry individual.
Bang! Gotcha.!
The Stasi like to go out with a video camera with a view to recording something, anything!!, that in their opine might have a bearing on "safety" as
they think it should be.
We should (must) play the same game. Any approach by any CASA person who wants a chat...you must have that pocket video or sound recorder ON.
Talk to any CASA person on yr own... AT YR PERIL.
As for the BBQ antics..what were they ???
CASA doesnt even have to get a conviction. They can cancel a licence, deem "not a fit and proper person" and the victim has a life sentence without justice. eg.. J Quadrio.
A regulator with a "just culture"? justar$e, rather.
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Lol. I like that. The thread is named "Casa strikes again".. How about, "another d!ckhead' strikes again" and pays the penalty. Fly like a tossa, expect to be dead or at best, getting a letter. Pretty simple.
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Word has it... the "hangar BBQ" thing was a simple "administrative oversight." The barbequer (BBQR) did not have a valid Australian Sausage Incineration Card (ASIC) with the usual GFPT endorsements (gloves, flipper, prong, tongs). So he will get porked and probably hauled over the coals.
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Lol. I like that. The thread is named "Casa strikes again".. How about, "another d!ckhead' strikes again" and pays the penalty. Fly like a tossa, expect to be dead or at best, getting a letter. Pretty simple.
I must say people like you are either CASA, CASA stooges, CASA "protected species" or simply someone who hasn't been done over yet.
When, not if, you get the rough end of the pineapple, I'll at least remember your PPRune "handle" Merv.
Remember those immortal words from CASA: pilot's are either criminals or criminals who haven't been caught yet.
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Lol. I like that. The thread is named "Casa strikes again".. How about, "another d!ckhead' strikes again" and pays the penalty. Fly like a tossa, expect to be dead or at best, getting a letter. Pretty simple.
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About 10 years ago CASA didn't seem to care about the occasional BBQ "fun," merely a word in your year about it at worst, perhaps, "mate, you could have gone a little lower on that last beat-up" but certainly not these days.
Word has it that the aircraft in question on this occasion was Radial powered.
Word has it that the aircraft in question on this occasion was Radial powered.