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Sunfish, i know people often talk sh!t on this site. But mate, you take the cake. Every thing you said above was bullsh!t.
The camera was not 100 kilos, it was 25. How do I know?..Because I held it just before he loaded in.I didn't hear this from old mate down the road..
The flight was not a last minute thing, it was well planned..how do I know?.. because I was in correspondence with them 2 weeks before the accident.Again, not hearsay, cold hard facts my friend.
A squirrel was to do the big camera shots, but due to weather, the delay made it unavailable on the day.
The guy that wight hired??...you Nob, Mike and Wight have worked together on numerous assignments. You think he organised the worlds top renowned camera man after your buddy said no?...your buddy needs to stop flattering himself.
It was a horrific accident, and something I will spend the rest of my life trying to forget, it doesn't help to open up a website such as this and see absolute crapp being propagated by ill-informed tossas.
Hang your head in shame. Poor form mate, poor poor form..
The camera was not 100 kilos, it was 25. How do I know?..Because I held it just before he loaded in.I didn't hear this from old mate down the road..
The flight was not a last minute thing, it was well planned..how do I know?.. because I was in correspondence with them 2 weeks before the accident.Again, not hearsay, cold hard facts my friend.
A squirrel was to do the big camera shots, but due to weather, the delay made it unavailable on the day.
The guy that wight hired??...you Nob, Mike and Wight have worked together on numerous assignments. You think he organised the worlds top renowned camera man after your buddy said no?...your buddy needs to stop flattering himself.
It was a horrific accident, and something I will spend the rest of my life trying to forget, it doesn't help to open up a website such as this and see absolute crapp being propagated by ill-informed tossas.
Hang your head in shame. Poor form mate, poor poor form..
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Troj, thanx mate. Everyone is holding together, just. My main concern at the moment is making sure my crew are ok and receiving all the help we can arrange for them. Aswel we are doing all we can to assure the families dont have to be subjected to crap like sunfish has sprooked on this site and ill-informed news reports.
The video is safe in the hands of the guy that filmed it and thats where it will stay.The ATSB have a copy, aswel as the insurance company. But thats it.
Dangly. Im sorry you have to read rubbish like this. Give our sincerest love and condolences to Fiona and every one else close to Andrew and Mike. PM me if any of you want to speak to me, ill give you my number.
cheers
The video is safe in the hands of the guy that filmed it and thats where it will stay.The ATSB have a copy, aswel as the insurance company. But thats it.
Dangly. Im sorry you have to read rubbish like this. Give our sincerest love and condolences to Fiona and every one else close to Andrew and Mike. PM me if any of you want to speak to me, ill give you my number.
cheers
Condolences to all involved up there in what is no doubt a tight knit community of aviators , and Motz, that is the best retort (b1tch slap) I've read here, and well deserved from the sound of it. I'm not sure id have been as refined as you..
Yes this is a rumor network, but if flat out untruth's are going to be harmful to families and friends of the recently departed, or be used in the media to create bullsh1t, then maybe we all have a responsibility to just pull our heads in a little and just say what we actually know, not what we think we know. The rumor part of PPrune is only of use if we are all going to discuss and learn. That's healthy, anything else is just crap.
The culture of one-upmanship and knowitalism in this site seems to grow with fatal accidents.. Is it a possibility that's the best time to be showing just a little restraint and respect?
Yes this is a rumor network, but if flat out untruth's are going to be harmful to families and friends of the recently departed, or be used in the media to create bullsh1t, then maybe we all have a responsibility to just pull our heads in a little and just say what we actually know, not what we think we know. The rumor part of PPrune is only of use if we are all going to discuss and learn. That's healthy, anything else is just crap.
The culture of one-upmanship and knowitalism in this site seems to grow with fatal accidents.. Is it a possibility that's the best time to be showing just a little restraint and respect?
via Homesick-Angel; ...The rumor part of PPRuNe is only of use if we are all going to discuss and learn. That's healthy, anything else is just crap.
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Motzartmerv:
Except it ain't crapp (sic) - and if you knew so much, you would probably know who was originally booked for the job. Of course it was planned, camera people of the calibre Wight uses don't get out of bed for under $1000.
This is the verbatim text of the SMS I received after a very worried Thirty minutes trying to get in touch to confirm a certain person was alive:
""***** was supposed to shoot the aerials in Jervis Bay this morn, He didn't want to do it coz(sic) it was a 100kg. 3D rig in the EP's private Robo (sic) 44 chopper. 2 hours later the other camo got in & it crashed. Spooky"
**** didn't know it was an R44 until he got there and when he saw how cramped things were going to be and what was being asked, he pulled the pin. Andrew Wight of course was upset and called him a wus, then obviously got the other guy at short notice. That information is from an explanatory phone call.
Furthermore, if you knew anything about the film industry, you would know that the camera is usually rented, or may belong to the Cameraman, so that the camera and rig you saw most probably was not be the one that *** had planned to use, because the camera and rig is almost always arranged by, and arrives and leaves with, the camera man.
Your revelation that the photography was planned to be done from a Squirrel would explain why *** turned up with a "100kg" 3D rig and all the trimmings and was dismayed only to find an R44.
I have no idea what caused this accident but I stand by what I said - an extremely experienced and award winning camera person with plenty of helicopter experience bailed Two hours before the sad event. Whether that is just luck on his part - perhaps because he felt he couldn't produce professional results from an R44, or some Sixth sense, I wouldn't know.
Both he and his best mate decided some time ago to pass up what they consider to be less than optimum working conditions - this case was one of them.
To put that another way, how do you think all those wonderful aerial, action and underwater camera shots get made? That's right, some professional is in a helicopter, or on the back of a moving truck, or Ten fathoms underwater, or Sixty feet up on a crane. You would be amazed at the risks these camera guys are routinely asked to take. At least Two cameramen have decided to be a little more careful than others.
Sunfish, i know people often talk sh!t on this site. But mate, you take the cake. Every thing you said above was bullsh!t.
The camera was not 100 kilos, it was 25. How do I know?..Because I held it just before he loaded in.I didn't hear this from old mate down the road..
The flight was not a last minute thing, it was well planned..how do I know?.. because I was in correspondence with them 2 weeks before the accident.Again, not hearsay, cold hard facts my friend.
A squirrel was to do the big camera shots, but due to weather, the delay made it unavailable on the day.
The guy that wight hired??...you Nob, Mike and Wight have worked together on numerous assignments. You think he organised the worlds top renowned camera man after your buddy said no?...your buddy needs to stop flattering himself.
It was a horrific accident, and something I will spend the rest of my life trying to forget, it doesn't help to open up a website such as this and see absolute crapp being propagated by ill-informed tossas.
Hang your head in shame. Poor form mate, poor poor form..
The camera was not 100 kilos, it was 25. How do I know?..Because I held it just before he loaded in.I didn't hear this from old mate down the road..
The flight was not a last minute thing, it was well planned..how do I know?.. because I was in correspondence with them 2 weeks before the accident.Again, not hearsay, cold hard facts my friend.
A squirrel was to do the big camera shots, but due to weather, the delay made it unavailable on the day.
The guy that wight hired??...you Nob, Mike and Wight have worked together on numerous assignments. You think he organised the worlds top renowned camera man after your buddy said no?...your buddy needs to stop flattering himself.
It was a horrific accident, and something I will spend the rest of my life trying to forget, it doesn't help to open up a website such as this and see absolute crapp being propagated by ill-informed tossas.
Hang your head in shame. Poor form mate, poor poor form..
This is the verbatim text of the SMS I received after a very worried Thirty minutes trying to get in touch to confirm a certain person was alive:
""***** was supposed to shoot the aerials in Jervis Bay this morn, He didn't want to do it coz(sic) it was a 100kg. 3D rig in the EP's private Robo (sic) 44 chopper. 2 hours later the other camo got in & it crashed. Spooky"
**** didn't know it was an R44 until he got there and when he saw how cramped things were going to be and what was being asked, he pulled the pin. Andrew Wight of course was upset and called him a wus, then obviously got the other guy at short notice. That information is from an explanatory phone call.
Furthermore, if you knew anything about the film industry, you would know that the camera is usually rented, or may belong to the Cameraman, so that the camera and rig you saw most probably was not be the one that *** had planned to use, because the camera and rig is almost always arranged by, and arrives and leaves with, the camera man.
Your revelation that the photography was planned to be done from a Squirrel would explain why *** turned up with a "100kg" 3D rig and all the trimmings and was dismayed only to find an R44.
I have no idea what caused this accident but I stand by what I said - an extremely experienced and award winning camera person with plenty of helicopter experience bailed Two hours before the sad event. Whether that is just luck on his part - perhaps because he felt he couldn't produce professional results from an R44, or some Sixth sense, I wouldn't know.
Both he and his best mate decided some time ago to pass up what they consider to be less than optimum working conditions - this case was one of them.
To put that another way, how do you think all those wonderful aerial, action and underwater camera shots get made? That's right, some professional is in a helicopter, or on the back of a moving truck, or Ten fathoms underwater, or Sixty feet up on a crane. You would be amazed at the risks these camera guys are routinely asked to take. At least Two cameramen have decided to be a little more careful than others.
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Unfortunately some people just don't know when to give up. Sunfish, just let it go and have some respect for those lost and those who were there. If you have any ounce of respect, just let it go will you.
Merv, thoughts are with you all who were there on the day. Hang in there mate.
Merv, thoughts are with you all who were there on the day. Hang in there mate.
...you want to accuse someone of talking crap and I'm supposed to let it go?
Sad accident, but I simply made the point that another cameraman had refused the job - which is fact.
I wouldn't know if there is any causal relationship between that event and the accident or not.
Sad accident, but I simply made the point that another cameraman had refused the job - which is fact.
I wouldn't know if there is any causal relationship between that event and the accident or not.
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Sunfish.
Your mate may have been booked to do something at some stage, but id like to know how he turned down the job 2 hours before the event, when two hours before the event the crew of VH-COK were sitting on our clubhouse verandah having coffee.How the @#$# was he there calling your friend a wus mate??..the choppa departed from wedderburn, not bankstown..was your mate at wedderburn??..no..Pull your head in .Why on earth you would make statements that anyone said something when they aren't around to defend themselves is beyond me. Id like to know how the same crew and aircraft got held up at wedderburn on the thursday before due wx, and then arranged a car ride to Jaspers Brush where they hung out for the day. How does your mate figure into this? And more importantly, who cares.
Short notice my ass. Mike came over from the USA for the job.
You or your mate have been sprung in an open public forum talking through your ass, and having no decency what so ever.
I find it pretty offensive that people try and tie themselves some how to such a tragedy, for reasons only they can know. Go and get some psychiatric help mate and get to the bottom of why you would use such an even to draw attention to yourself when so many people are still in shock and grieving.
Have some respect for the families mate. You are not an ATSB investigator. Let those that have the FACTS do their jobs, but more importantly, let the families grieve in peace.
Im glad your mate was not involved, and im glad he has decided not to take on dangerous assignments. But that does not relate to this accident. I have been involved with aviation for 17 years, and I saw nothing to indicate this operation was unsafe in any way.
Your mate may have been booked to do something at some stage, but id like to know how he turned down the job 2 hours before the event, when two hours before the event the crew of VH-COK were sitting on our clubhouse verandah having coffee.How the @#$# was he there calling your friend a wus mate??..the choppa departed from wedderburn, not bankstown..was your mate at wedderburn??..no..Pull your head in .Why on earth you would make statements that anyone said something when they aren't around to defend themselves is beyond me. Id like to know how the same crew and aircraft got held up at wedderburn on the thursday before due wx, and then arranged a car ride to Jaspers Brush where they hung out for the day. How does your mate figure into this? And more importantly, who cares.
Short notice my ass. Mike came over from the USA for the job.
You or your mate have been sprung in an open public forum talking through your ass, and having no decency what so ever.
I find it pretty offensive that people try and tie themselves some how to such a tragedy, for reasons only they can know. Go and get some psychiatric help mate and get to the bottom of why you would use such an even to draw attention to yourself when so many people are still in shock and grieving.
Have some respect for the families mate. You are not an ATSB investigator. Let those that have the FACTS do their jobs, but more importantly, let the families grieve in peace.
Im glad your mate was not involved, and im glad he has decided not to take on dangerous assignments. But that does not relate to this accident. I have been involved with aviation for 17 years, and I saw nothing to indicate this operation was unsafe in any way.
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