Charter Job Or Instructor?
I have not and will make the trip to Mecca like most. List is prepared of places to stop and people to see, in the final stages of planning now.
If you want to instruct then do so. Dont because it's easier and a last resort way to find work. Your only damaging the industry in the long run if you don't have to commitment to be there for the right reasons
If you want to instruct then do so. Dont because it's easier and a last resort way to find work. Your only damaging the industry in the long run if you don't have to commitment to be there for the right reasons
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If you want to instruct then do so. Dont because it's easier and a last resort way to find work. Your only damaging the industry in the long run if you don't have to commitment to be there for the right reasons
List is prepared of places to stop and people to see, in the final stages of planning now.
and thanx again, Take care 
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After over 4,000hrs I still consider myself green and still learning a lot.
In answer to the OP's question, try Charter!
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If you have just finished your training ask the CFI/CP of your school if you can do single engine charter (assuming they have charter on the AOC). You have just spent $50,000 there and he knows how u fly so he most likely won't have a problem with it.
The school I trained at did bugger all charter/scenic joyflights so I made some flyers and did a bit of cheap marketing (using the office computer and photocopier) and had a fair bit of interest, got some hours and the instructors couldn't care less. Not to mention the CFI/CP was happy about the extra business.
That extra 50-100 hours or so will help when head up north.
Just a thought...
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If you have just finished your training ask the CFI/CP of your school if you can do single engine charter (assuming they have charter on the AOC). You have just spent $50,000 there and he knows how u fly so he most likely won't have a problem with it.
The school I trained at did bugger all charter/scenic joyflights so I made some flyers and did a bit of cheap marketing (using the office computer and photocopier) and had a fair bit of interest, got some hours and the instructors couldn't care less. Not to mention the CFI/CP was happy about the extra business.
That extra 50-100 hours or so will help when head up north.
Just a thought...
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Far too good to be a wind up...
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If you have just finished your training ask the CFI/CP of your school if you can do single engine charter (assuming they have charter on the AOC). You have just spent $50,000 there and he knows how u fly so he most likely won't have a problem with it.
Thnx anyway
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Exactly... refer to my original post. My school did bugger all (not consistent at all) maybe one harbour scenic a month!. So talk to the CFI do a deal make some fliers and go for a walk downtown hand them out or leave them on shop counters and guaranteed you will get a few hours out of it. The reason your school hasn't got consistent joyflights is probably because no-one is marketing it... the instructors have their steady flow of students and getting plenty of hours so they don't bother. Work with the CFI/CP and build the market yourself and get the rewards.
You could just head up north with 200hrs and hope for the best but the next guy who reads my post will be heading up not far behind you with another 100 hours and a great reference taking the job you've been waiting for.
S.O.A.D
You could just head up north with 200hrs and hope for the best but the next guy who reads my post will be heading up not far behind you with another 100 hours and a great reference taking the job you've been waiting for.
S.O.A.D
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I'm not going to do it because I'm far too nice , but why hasn't this young fella been flamed mercilessly??
Maybe pprune is enjoying a special new era of common decency where certain types of threads are actually treated with respect....
Nah...
Maybe pprune is enjoying a special new era of common decency where certain types of threads are actually treated with respect....
Nah...
Originally Posted by PA39
Never take on instructing just to gain hours in the seat. Be committed and as you are still very inexperienced, learn every day. A good instructor with experience often makes for a good charter pilot but a good charter pilot struggles with instructing.Learn what you are teaching and why you are teaching.
It is actually the exact reverse of what this fella said.
A good instructor is not a good charter pilot. They become too institutionalized in the flying school doctrine.
They will become a good regional/airline pilot, but certainly not good charter pilots. Charter involves a healthy interpretation of the rules. With an instructor its black and white. Every instructor I came across that was a grade 2 or above trying their hand at charter was a right pain in the arse. They were the guys who didn't wipe cowls, cross belts, clean windows, return the cockpit to how they found it. They had limited engine management ability and unrealistic expectations of their progression.
Charter pilots generally make fantastic instructors because they can practice what they preach. Once the rough edges are knocked off and they brush up on the regs and theory side of things they are a much preferred option. They can actually train a CPL to fly for hire and reward vs what the other grade one instructors think it's all about.
Havings said that, not many charter guys are keen to go from flying heavy singles and twins to 2 seat trainers and sky gods at the flying school.
Generally the instructors will make it hard for them too and undermine them whenever possible to their students.
I've seen it all before.
It's a big world outside the flying school out there!
A good instructor is not a good charter pilot. They become too institutionalized in the flying school doctrine.
They will become a good regional/airline pilot, but certainly not good charter pilots.
They will become a good regional/airline pilot, but certainly not good charter pilots.
A good instructor with experience often makes for a good charter pilot but a good charter pilot struggles with instructing
It doesn't matter where you have flown and what you have been doing. There are many great charter pilots (ex-instructors), great instructors (ex-charter pilots) and then there's sh*ithouse instructors and charter pilots from varying backgrounds.
It really depends on the persons' attitude and their ability to adapt to whoever they're working for.
I get the impression that purist charter pilots or purist instructors are just defending their own turf (or percieved inadequacies). The arguments only tend to come from pilots who have only worked in one area and not the other.
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In my case my first flight after my CPL test (251 hours) was the first flight of my Instructors Rating. Made Grade 1ME Tng couple of years later.
Must have worked as the ones that didn't do it for pleasure are presently flying all over the world now.
Never had any complaints from my bosses in the years that I was in the charter game.
Neither did I fell "institutionalised from the doctrine"
from the flying school/clubs I taught at.
Anyway, after a stints in Corporate, EMS found myself in the Airlines.
Depends on how you want to do it, but I can tell you that hundreds of pilots did the instructing then charter path and I know quite a few of them and they were good instructors and good charter pilots.
As havick said
Maybe the ones that saying it shouldn't be done, just can't adapt.
In my case my first flight after my CPL test (251 hours) was the first flight of my Instructors Rating. Made Grade 1ME Tng couple of years later.
But you don't have any experience, so how can you teach them? Sure you may have 200hrs, but that's barely enough experience to get you through a normal day on the job in charter, so how can you then teach someone else this 'experience'?
A good instructor is not a good charter pilot. They become too institutionalized in the flying school doctrine.
Neither did I fell "institutionalised from the doctrine"
from the flying school/clubs I taught at.Anyway, after a stints in Corporate, EMS found myself in the Airlines.
Depends on how you want to do it, but I can tell you that hundreds of pilots did the instructing then charter path and I know quite a few of them and they were good instructors and good charter pilots.
As havick said
t really depends on the persons' attitude and their ability to adapt to whoever they're working for.
