Funding CPL- How did you do it?
G'Day 'Shifty',
What 'Mr Ranga' said.....
PAYG - its the only way you have of keeping the accounting 'honest'.
I did mine in another era by driving taxis in SY for 'a few' years, flying as I went at BK, and got my CPL then went on to the Instr. rating.
ALL paid for as I went...NOT for everyone I know, but 'twas the only way I was going to be able to do it.
As others have said, work work and ....wot was that word again..??
As for the 'rewards'..?? Well, I was never 'QANTAS material', so I went bush, eventually to WA, and stayed.
Changed careers over the years, because of the $$$'s - or lack thereof - and raising a family / mortgage etc., but have recently renewed my CPL, and now 'dabble' again - without the pressures.
Again, not for everyone, but you make your own choices in life...
All the very best to you in your choices.
Cheers
What 'Mr Ranga' said.....
PAYG - its the only way you have of keeping the accounting 'honest'.
I did mine in another era by driving taxis in SY for 'a few' years, flying as I went at BK, and got my CPL then went on to the Instr. rating.
ALL paid for as I went...NOT for everyone I know, but 'twas the only way I was going to be able to do it.
As others have said, work work and ....wot was that word again..??
As for the 'rewards'..?? Well, I was never 'QANTAS material', so I went bush, eventually to WA, and stayed.
Changed careers over the years, because of the $$$'s - or lack thereof - and raising a family / mortgage etc., but have recently renewed my CPL, and now 'dabble' again - without the pressures.
Again, not for everyone, but you make your own choices in life...
All the very best to you in your choices.
Cheers
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Too late for Shifty, but the advice I was given very early on...
Find the job you want before you find the girl you want.
PAYG is definitely the way to go with getting a CPL.
But chasing work and either leaving the missus at home 4000km away, or moving her with you every 6-12 months is extremely stressful on a relationship. I've seen a couple of relationships survive, but I've seen a lot of long term relationships fail in GA.
Find the job you want before you find the girl you want.
PAYG is definitely the way to go with getting a CPL.
But chasing work and either leaving the missus at home 4000km away, or moving her with you every 6-12 months is extremely stressful on a relationship. I've seen a couple of relationships survive, but I've seen a lot of long term relationships fail in GA.
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You MIGHT get a better deal on the hourly rate but you sure as hell will get ripped off by flying way more hours than you need to. The school has to make money some how so the cheaper schools will make you fly more hours and recoup their profits that way. Don't fall into the trap of thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. If it appears so, its because they feed it more bull-****.
It is a simple fact that all of an Essendon operators costs go into a bucket and they have to be allocated somewhere. So if you are not being 'charged for it' where do you suppose they are getting the money to pay the charges? You reckon the 'big fella' is waiving the charges because Guy's a good bloke?
Exerience counts and Pearsons have that in spades. Take advantage of that experience.
Be aware also that some of the comments you read here are posted by self interested parties.
Merry Christmas to you all on PPRuNe and may the wingeing, moaning and scare mongering continue with force into 2012!
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Hey Jack Ranga, have you got some sort of problem with Essendon operators? Or are you just a grumpy old man? What's your beef? The tone of your post seems to indicate you think all Essendon operators are lying overchaging under experienced scum. Justify your attitude dude! Or will you stay silent because of our very good defamation laws?
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Good Lord, they are out and about................
There is a copy of my original post.
Where have I insinuated:
What is the landing charge at Essendon? What is the landing charge at Moorabbin? Can you do circuits at Essendon? Are you being charged for transit time to an aerodrome where you can do circuits if your training is being conducted at Essendon?
GPSteer, are you a 12 year old? Justify based on what you just posted.
Shifty,
First of all, you will get a better deal than flying at Essendon. For whomever it was said that Pearsons donot charge landing fees, is ridiculous, the landing fees would be absorbed in the hourly rate.
Secondly, you don't have to do all your training through the one provider, look for the good deals on the seperate endorsements/ratings. Word of mouth can be good but is not the only recommendation......BE CAREFULL! There are some providers that can provide genuinely subsidised accomodation due to where they are located, subsidised or cheap flying training? If it is ultra cheap, there's usually a reason........BE CAREFULL!
To fund pretty much all of my training, I used to save up half of the cost of the next thing I wanted to do and pay the other half from my wages as I go. I also got a few interest free loans (from the olds) towards the end of the road.
In the in-between times while I was saving for the next thing I would build hours by doing joyflights for mates and I had a family member who used to grab a few mates and we would go away for weekends and split the costs. You can do skydive flying with a PPL for extra hours still.
And one final thing:
DONOT, (FFS), PAY FOR ANY FLYING, UP FRONT, IN A LUMP SUM..........EVER
First of all, you will get a better deal than flying at Essendon. For whomever it was said that Pearsons donot charge landing fees, is ridiculous, the landing fees would be absorbed in the hourly rate.
Secondly, you don't have to do all your training through the one provider, look for the good deals on the seperate endorsements/ratings. Word of mouth can be good but is not the only recommendation......BE CAREFULL! There are some providers that can provide genuinely subsidised accomodation due to where they are located, subsidised or cheap flying training? If it is ultra cheap, there's usually a reason........BE CAREFULL!
To fund pretty much all of my training, I used to save up half of the cost of the next thing I wanted to do and pay the other half from my wages as I go. I also got a few interest free loans (from the olds) towards the end of the road.
In the in-between times while I was saving for the next thing I would build hours by doing joyflights for mates and I had a family member who used to grab a few mates and we would go away for weekends and split the costs. You can do skydive flying with a PPL for extra hours still.
And one final thing:
DONOT, (FFS), PAY FOR ANY FLYING, UP FRONT, IN A LUMP SUM..........EVER
Where have I insinuated:
lying overchaging under experienced scum.
GPSteer, are you a 12 year old? Justify based on what you just posted.
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Griffo
They must have been very early model taxi's
Gpssteer and co....... Folk like griffo and Ranga are well worth listening to, they will have forgotten more than you know.
They must have been very early model taxi's
Gpssteer and co....... Folk like griffo and Ranga are well worth listening to, they will have forgotten more than you know.
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Oh dear! what have I started ?
I thank you for all the advice and opinions.
For the record I am very happy with the School I am with and the level of attention I am getting doing my PPL.
I thank you for all the advice and opinions.
For the record I am very happy with the School I am with and the level of attention I am getting doing my PPL.
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Shifty,
This thread is proof, as another put it, that many on here have an agenda. Quite a lot of the EN crew don't have many posts and they seem to be on a lot of threads at the moment pushing a particular EN operator.
I'm not pumping up my tyres or pushing an agenda, if I was I'd steer you to the school that I did a bit of instructing at.............It is far and away the best in the game in Melbourne, but I didn't steer you towards them!
I've simply been in your position. I've also seen a lot of young blokes get ripped off and misled and lose big sums of money
Being happy with the instruction you are getting is pretty important but as your career evolves it pays to look at all options!
This thread is proof, as another put it, that many on here have an agenda. Quite a lot of the EN crew don't have many posts and they seem to be on a lot of threads at the moment pushing a particular EN operator.
I'm not pumping up my tyres or pushing an agenda, if I was I'd steer you to the school that I did a bit of instructing at.............It is far and away the best in the game in Melbourne, but I didn't steer you towards them!
I've simply been in your position. I've also seen a lot of young blokes get ripped off and misled and lose big sums of money
Being happy with the instruction you are getting is pretty important but as your career evolves it pays to look at all options!
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Jack Ranga,
You are entitled to your views but why do you proceed on the assumption that all operators are the same? There is a level of risk in any business transaction it is true but not all operators who offer up front payments are going to go broke. To universally condem as unsafe all up front deals offered by flying schools is an unsupportable proposition. Some schools (incluuding schools at your beloved MB airport) offer substantial advatages to the student for up front payments. It seems to me your professed or implied view of up front payments as overly risky is extreme and one that is likely to deter a student from taking advantage of what otherwise could be a very good deal.
I have taken advantage of up front deals and have been very happy with the results and savings made.
Cheers to you Jack Ranga and have a great New Year!
You are entitled to your views but why do you proceed on the assumption that all operators are the same? There is a level of risk in any business transaction it is true but not all operators who offer up front payments are going to go broke. To universally condem as unsafe all up front deals offered by flying schools is an unsupportable proposition. Some schools (incluuding schools at your beloved MB airport) offer substantial advatages to the student for up front payments. It seems to me your professed or implied view of up front payments as overly risky is extreme and one that is likely to deter a student from taking advantage of what otherwise could be a very good deal.
I have taken advantage of up front deals and have been very happy with the results and savings made.
Cheers to you Jack Ranga and have a great New Year!
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To pay or not to pay?
There is not a doubt in my mind that if you have to pay for something yourself you work for it twice as hard.
Way back when, 3 jobs, 2 steps forwards, 3 steps back, loved it all and great memories.
Yep I even paid for a jet rating to crack into the airlines, right or wrong it was the only way, oh it made me hungry to find a job before i got rusty (ok was rusty the day after it).
Now I have to remember that as my lad ventures to the skies.
I still thank my instructor who sat me down before I started learning to fly, fresh from school, ready to borrow money from the family. Instructor NO, go to uni and get a job. Not only a great instructor but a wise man full of wisdom.
Enjoy life, its to short to bitch, of to work for me, love my job!
Happy new year all, and good luck to the future pilots
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Way back when, 3 jobs, 2 steps forwards, 3 steps back, loved it all and great memories.
Yep I even paid for a jet rating to crack into the airlines, right or wrong it was the only way, oh it made me hungry to find a job before i got rusty (ok was rusty the day after it).
Now I have to remember that as my lad ventures to the skies.
I still thank my instructor who sat me down before I started learning to fly, fresh from school, ready to borrow money from the family. Instructor NO, go to uni and get a job. Not only a great instructor but a wise man full of wisdom.
Enjoy life, its to short to bitch, of to work for me, love my job!
Happy new year all, and good luck to the future pilots
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They don't know what you do
GPSsteer,
You have the good luck to know which schools to steer away from. Many hopefulls don't. They don't know the milking tricks or other ways they get every penny out of you they can.
Are you willing to publish a list of pay up front institutions that won't go broke while someone trains there? Of course you won't so don't take the line that not all places are bad and don't judge all by a few. History has shown us that pay up front has a much higher chance of ending in tears than PAYG.
I tried very hard to get a friend of mine not to do his MECIR with 50 hours ICUS at a particular school for a few reasons,
1. They wanted cash up front (25k)
2. They promised it would be done in a certain time (4 weeks)
3. The ICUS was being charged at 200/hour for a Baron
Well the MECIR took 4 months! The 50 hours ICUS in Darwin took 6 months. How on earth can 50 hours in a Baron take 6 months? He didn't earn a cent through the whole thing either.
No prizes for guessing who that was with.
You have the good luck to know which schools to steer away from. Many hopefulls don't. They don't know the milking tricks or other ways they get every penny out of you they can.
Are you willing to publish a list of pay up front institutions that won't go broke while someone trains there? Of course you won't so don't take the line that not all places are bad and don't judge all by a few. History has shown us that pay up front has a much higher chance of ending in tears than PAYG.
I tried very hard to get a friend of mine not to do his MECIR with 50 hours ICUS at a particular school for a few reasons,
1. They wanted cash up front (25k)
2. They promised it would be done in a certain time (4 weeks)
3. The ICUS was being charged at 200/hour for a Baron
Well the MECIR took 4 months! The 50 hours ICUS in Darwin took 6 months. How on earth can 50 hours in a Baron take 6 months? He didn't earn a cent through the whole thing either.
No prizes for guessing who that was with.
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Very unfortunate indeed. I think we know to whom you are referring. However, If, as others have posted, a student does the research and talks at length to the owner (and not just the paid employee with no stake in the business) then a better picture of the organisation can be gleaned.
I would point out Sharp Airlines offer training deals and employment upon completion yet not one of you would dare to say that Sharp's are rip off merchants and untrustworthy.
I would point out Sharp Airlines offer training deals and employment upon completion yet not one of you would dare to say that Sharp's are rip off merchants and untrustworthy.
Hey Shifty,
I knew one bloke who ran an illegal brothel to fund his licence and now flies Airbuses! Not my thing (airbuses, that is) but it worked for him!
Seriously though PAYG. Maybe short term mining industry work to get some cash behind you and then get it done. No loans or military service necessary.
I knew one bloke who ran an illegal brothel to fund his licence and now flies Airbuses! Not my thing (airbuses, that is) but it worked for him!
Seriously though PAYG. Maybe short term mining industry work to get some cash behind you and then get it done. No loans or military service necessary.
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How it's done
Hi Dr,
Because the 150 hour integrated CPL course is GST free if going through a registered training organisation If you finish your MECIR before your CPL is granted you dont pay any tax on your MECIR component which you normally would have to as it would be completed after.
As it isn't part of the 150 hour course the tax man would love to hear about it I'm sure. I know one guy who did his MECIR straight after his PPL and what he saved in GST he lost out on the extra hours he had to do because of his very low TT.
Because the 150 hour integrated CPL course is GST free if going through a registered training organisation If you finish your MECIR before your CPL is granted you dont pay any tax on your MECIR component which you normally would have to as it would be completed after.
As it isn't part of the 150 hour course the tax man would love to hear about it I'm sure. I know one guy who did his MECIR straight after his PPL and what he saved in GST he lost out on the extra hours he had to do because of his very low TT.
