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Old 21st Nov 2011, 10:19
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Question Lost Loyalty!

In today's rather interesting aviation climate people seem to be moving up, down, and sideways, In terms of career. I'm interested to see what things have been the cause of people's loyalty for their employer to be absolutely shattered or lost? What are the things that made you think, "Bugger this, I want out!"?
Obviously management is a broad issue which seems to be the bane of many at the moment. But what else, rostering, C&t, and random events?
Second question, what could have kept or restored your loyalty if anything? Is it as simple as more money to put up with the sht?
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Old 21st Nov 2011, 10:23
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FMC,

Lets get one thing straight. There is no loyalty. What is it all about? MONEY !!!!

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Old 21st Nov 2011, 10:49
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Loyalty

It goes both ways FMC.
I got to that point with a former employer but stayed to see out my contract because it was the right thing to do.
Now being on the other side of the fence and running a business, it really p#sses me off when I hear of people signing a contract and then 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks later they up and leave you in the lurch because the grass is "greener" elsewhere. A commitment is a commitment. If you can't commit, don't sign the contract.
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Fair enough Groggy, if thats all it ever means to you, cool. Maybe not everyone is the same.

Duck, totally agree. I've also watched others break bonds and up and leave. Sometime right after being trained. It would be hard on small and medium sized operators for sure. No doubt frustrating to the trainers and management. I've will say that I've always done the required time or fulfilled the requirements of what I agreed to verbally or written. But I know there are many who don't.

But its interesting I see people moving on for different reasons, money is certainly one of them. Certainly for career progression. In many cases its a personal difference they see with the decisions of management.

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Old 21st Nov 2011, 11:23
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Money is only a short term fix..
It might temporarily stop someone from leaving but sure wont stop the bi*ching
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Old 21st Nov 2011, 13:40
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A wise person once said "It's all about relationships.........and the money!!"
Probably in that order too.
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Old 21st Nov 2011, 22:32
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Thumbs up

A wise person once said "It's all about relationships.........and the money!!"
Probably in that order too.
Whomever that person was, was a wise person indeed.... Employers want a fair and equitable system to cover costs of doing business, well I'm sure many will agree that the continual revolving door of initial training costs shouldn't be being paid for by the employees who are/were planning on staying quite a bit longer, however the reality is that they are bearing (and will continue to do so at the behest of their employer) those costs by way of lower T&C's....

I once worked for a well known (and well paying) northern based Metro operator. I went in with my own endorsement, needed to leave (unforseen personal reasons) about four months later, so made an appointment and saw the M.D of the operation, looked him in the eye and asked him what I owed him for the extra costs of the training he had spent on me.... Let's just say he was rather taken aback....

.... And nobody likes being lied to, carrots dangled or taken for a fool....

Back into the ether now Ops....
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Loyalty is a two way street. When an employer actually shows loyalty to me, they get it in return.
If not......
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Old 22nd Nov 2011, 05:42
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Couldn't agree more Typhoon650. I have had super not paid, promises made (to be later disregarded) raised eyebrows when asking simple questions about salary and conditions at interview etc etc. It is a basically a trade. Your labour and expertise in exchange for the reward/remuneration which should be specified and "cut and dried" on a tight contract or work agreement.
Goodwill and PR does come into it ie professionalism in the arrangement. And it is enhanced by honesty on both sides. Sadly it is often missing and not only by the employee. Maybe not only in this industry but it certainly is lacking in parts of this industry.
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