Horn Island Ops
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Horn Island Ops
Can someone explain to me why people are doing run-ups right on the apron taxi-way.
And why are the Caravans taxing on High Idle....
They certainly sound like they are any way.
Its getting painfull.
And why are the Caravans taxing on High Idle....
They certainly sound like they are any way.
Its getting painfull.
The Vans are prob using A/C and need the high idle to keep ITT below taxi ITT limit.
From memory, there isnt much space to conduct run ups without occupying the runway or blocking the runway exit.
From memory, there isnt much space to conduct run ups without occupying the runway or blocking the runway exit.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Behind a CB near you
Age: 44
Posts: 204
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Or if you have a problem with what's going on go and speak to the SBP of the operator involved. He may be able to enlighten you or come to a workable solution to the problem.
As for all those VFR aircraft operating in IMC up there.... now there's something to get worked up over!
As for all those VFR aircraft operating in IMC up there.... now there's something to get worked up over!
As for all those VFR aircraft operating in IMC up there.... now there's something to get worked up over!
I think the matter of Caravans at high idle is the last thing to worry about when it comes to Horn island operations!!!
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cairns
Age: 50
Posts: 295
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think the matter of Caravans at high idle is the last thing to worry about when it comes to Horn island operations!!!
Having to use high idle on hot days with high accessory loads ( i.e. Aircon ) is pretty common for the -114/A, in low idle, the idle ITT can exceed the max idle ITT, so you have two choice:
1) Turn off the aircon, forget that for a good idea, or,
2) Increase the airflow and rpm to suit the conditions and enjoy the lovely dehumidified aircon with a considerably lower ITT.
run-ups right on the apron taxi-way.
Psuedo RPT
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 283
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Been a while since I've been to Horny, but I recall most runups being done on the 32 threshold.
Too right!
True, but......
What about the IFR drivers that come down to 500ft because they are "over water" to get in?
Heck, some of the days when I was at a random ****hole island waiting for 500ft cloud with pissing rain weather to break (so I could go VFR below the cloud avoiding the showers and actually maintain VMC) and an IFR machine suddenly pops out of the crap and hooks it in... yeah explain that to me. And don't say RNAV because that hardly exists up there.
It's not just "VFR operating IMC" up there. I don't deny that it doesn't exist, but it isnt the only problem that plagues Torres operations.
Some of the Heli ops up there appeared questionable too. It is across the board, not just any one operator.
The whole place is just waiting for things to go seriously wrong.
The problem lies across many levels, and it would take a long time from dedicated people to even start turning things around. And in my opinion it should start with some of the operators- for example they should stop pressuring their young, relatively inexperienced drivers to fly their busted-arse aircraft in the ****e weather unless things can be done legitimately- and if that means delaying or cancelling flights till a better time then so be it. Quit being tightarses and spend some money to equip the aircraft properly, not to mention preventative maintenance and actually fixing defects.
The place is a stepping stone, and like any remote hole everyone just wants to get their time and get out. The companies generally don't care, they just want the job done and pressure the drivers into doing things that probably shouldnt be done- we've all experienced it.
It's easy to sit here in our comfy chairs (and planes) and preach about "just dont do it, say no" isn't it? Bit harder when you're the youngun trying to get the hours up and relying on that sub-standard operator to pay you the bare minimum whilst treating you worse than dirt that a dog has crapped on.
I think the matter of Caravans at high idle is the last thing to worry about when it comes to Horn island operations!!!
As for all those VFR aircraft operating in IMC up there.... now there's something to get worked up over!
What about the IFR drivers that come down to 500ft because they are "over water" to get in?
Heck, some of the days when I was at a random ****hole island waiting for 500ft cloud with pissing rain weather to break (so I could go VFR below the cloud avoiding the showers and actually maintain VMC) and an IFR machine suddenly pops out of the crap and hooks it in... yeah explain that to me. And don't say RNAV because that hardly exists up there.
It's not just "VFR operating IMC" up there. I don't deny that it doesn't exist, but it isnt the only problem that plagues Torres operations.
Some of the Heli ops up there appeared questionable too. It is across the board, not just any one operator.
The whole place is just waiting for things to go seriously wrong.
The problem lies across many levels, and it would take a long time from dedicated people to even start turning things around. And in my opinion it should start with some of the operators- for example they should stop pressuring their young, relatively inexperienced drivers to fly their busted-arse aircraft in the ****e weather unless things can be done legitimately- and if that means delaying or cancelling flights till a better time then so be it. Quit being tightarses and spend some money to equip the aircraft properly, not to mention preventative maintenance and actually fixing defects.
The place is a stepping stone, and like any remote hole everyone just wants to get their time and get out. The companies generally don't care, they just want the job done and pressure the drivers into doing things that probably shouldnt be done- we've all experienced it.
It's easy to sit here in our comfy chairs (and planes) and preach about "just dont do it, say no" isn't it? Bit harder when you're the youngun trying to get the hours up and relying on that sub-standard operator to pay you the bare minimum whilst treating you worse than dirt that a dog has crapped on.
Last edited by MyNameIsIs; 20th Nov 2011 at 04:39.
