CASA proposing flight test requirement for ATPL issue.

[saseahawk]

All very interesting! But does anyone know when this proposed change is to become effective?
Also, I don't think it is a bad idea upping the requirements to ICAO and NZ comparable standards. Afterall how much worth is an ATPL where half of this flight time can come from gliders, ultralights, etc.
Although I do say this now after receiving my ATPL.

[Tankengine]

A licence with a REQUIREMENT for a couple of hundred gliding hours would be an improvement!
ATPL [and SCPL before that] for over 25 years.

Licence test as part of command IR test sounds reasonable.

[Oktas8]

But does anyone know when this proposed change is to become effective?

This is the most accurate and succinct answer you will ever read:





No.

[saseahawk]

True, unfortunately. I've heard this proposition for the first time several years ago. Just like they were discussing to change the flight planning and performance subject aircraft to a more modern aircraft than the 717.

[cficare]

...can't imagine there is anyone..current...capable or...believeable...in CASA that could do the assessment..

[WannaBeBiggles]

True, unfortunately. I've heard this proposition for the first time several years ago. Just like they were discussing to change the flight planning and performance subject aircraft to a more modern aircraft than the 717.

At least the 717 would give you a type that still flies in Australia...the 727 on the other hand

I don't see a real issue with this, as long as they still accept my ATPL passes and don't make me do them again!

[saseahawk]

So the 727 it shall be. Interesting. Good point you made.
They will have to accept them. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.

[Tankengine]

Seagull mark IV?

[SW3]

LeadSlead why would we be talking about private ops on the subject of an ATPL above 5700kg where I've been explicitly on the subject of commercial ops. If you want to fly your KingAir 350 privately without an ATPL fill your boots, talking about RPT here. Give the knit picking a break!

[aussie027]

Tankengine,
Seagull Mk IV, that brings back memories, ATPL Flt Planning exam in the early 80s.
Based on the old B707 we were told.

[Icarus2001]

have to wait for your command on a >5700kg multi crew aircraft

as they are not above 5700kg

only privilege an ATPL offers over a CPL is the ability to command RPT services

ATPL is the requirement for command >5700kg,

ATPL required for above 5700 RPT OR CHARTER ops except if aircraft is single pilot

With respect, when was the last time some of you guys actually read the CAR with respect to CPL and ATPL priveleges and limiations?

[as fragged]

What about the aspiring corporate captains who have overseas type rating providers?

let me guess, there will be an hourly rate charged.....

[mar1234]

Its been a while since this thread was active just wondering if anyone has any updates as to when the CASA atpl Flight Test is coming into effect? lots of rumors around but nobody really knows. I've emailed CASA about it to get their verdict, but have been waiting a while now

[StoffelNZ]

Back in 2009 there was something on the CASA website about changing CASR Part 61 to include the need for a flight test. I e-mailed a guy in the licencing department and he was cagey about when it would be brought in, but suggested that it might be some time in 2010 So it's anyone's guess.

[JustJoinedToSearch]

Have we fully transferred over to CASR 1998 yet?

There's your answer.

[weloveseaplanes]

employee a few consultant mates or keep a few of the crusty old cts employed a little longer by throwing the thought around! Hell, the formation of a working group is likely and a couple of trips to Montreal or the USA is definitely on the cards, especially for all the pensioners running the joint. Oh the taxpayer kitty is so deep, decisions decisions, which bucket of money do we raid this time, which unnecessary trip abroad to go on this time, more troughs please, quickly quickly our snouts are dry, quick quick more troughs!!

And speaking of troughs, rumour has it that 15 of them attended the recent safe skies seminar (safe skies should be used loosely) in Canberra, most stayed at the luxurious $650 starting price per night Hyatt Canberra (Presidential suite spooning perhaps) and the cost of their sojourn was huge!

Do they feel guilt?

[expert_beginner]

maybe i've missed this, but is there still a prerequisite to have a pass in the 7 ATPL exams based on B727 and B767 for an aircraft which I imagine will not be used to conduct this flight test? could it be a good idea to adopt a similar process with regard to the written portion and look into the FAA system a bit more?

[Tee Emm]

Does anyone know if this proposed new ATPL licence system include the current situation where a CPL paying for his own A320 type rating (being his first jet) will still be given a command endorsement on type, even though his simulator training is in the copilot's seat?

[PLovett]

could it be a good idea to adopt a similar process with regard to the written portion and look into the FAA system a bit more?

Wash your mouth out! Don't you know that mentioning anything the FAA does is heresy! You'll be burnt at the stake for that.

[4SPOOLED]

Tee emm,

When you do an A320 type rating, you spend equal time in either seat.

You then receive a command rating.