Warning - That Kool Video = Loss Of Licence.
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Warning - That Kool Video = Loss Of Licence.
1. Heli pilot takes tourists to see the Barrier reef.
2. Heli pilot does kool stunts to entertain tourists.
3. Tourist posts Youtube video of kool stunts.
4. CASA notices said Youtube video.
5. Commercial Pilots licence cancelled.
You have been warned.
Quadrio and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2011] AATA 709 (12 October 2011)
P.S. Video no longer on Youtube.
2. Heli pilot does kool stunts to entertain tourists.
3. Tourist posts Youtube video of kool stunts.
4. CASA notices said Youtube video.
5. Commercial Pilots licence cancelled.
You have been warned.
Quadrio and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2011] AATA 709 (12 October 2011)
P.S. Video no longer on Youtube.
Great video but I fail to see what it has to do with the helicopter pilot or this thread.
The helicopter pilot was goofing around at low level doing aeros (according to CASA) with fare paying passengers on board who had paid for a safe flight.
All the trike pilot is doing is possibly breaching VFR rules for trikes. Even the most critical of you folk could hardly tell me what he is doing is dangerous.
The helicopter pilot was goofing around at low level doing aeros (according to CASA) with fare paying passengers on board who had paid for a safe flight.
All the trike pilot is doing is possibly breaching VFR rules for trikes. Even the most critical of you folk could hardly tell me what he is doing is dangerous.
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I thought the thread was about kool videos making you lose your license, using the chopper guy as first example.
At least that is what the thread title seems to indicate...
At least that is what the thread title seems to indicate...
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"ABC, no IFR traffic for descent into Exmouth" yeah right!
IFR doesn't absolve you from looking outside, but if they're hiding in the clouds, it sure makes it hard.
IFR doesn't absolve you from looking outside, but if they're hiding in the clouds, it sure makes it hard.
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All the trike pilot is doing is possibly breaching VFR rules for trikes
I'm sure the pilot of the IFR RFDS Kingair on descent through the clouds wouldn't quite agree with you
Warning - That Kool Video = Loss Of Licence.
There's always one cloud surfer at every airport it would seem. I'll just duck through this cloud, so I'll put my transponder into standby so I don't get caught by ATC
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Even the most critical of you folk could hardly tell me what he is doing is dangerous
It's a safety buffer that allows IFR flights to see and avoid VFR flights when they punch through clouds. Especially those VFR flights with no transponder and stuff all primary return.
Not to mention the danger to himself and his passenger that a wrong turn could actually put them in the clouds and we all know how that can turn out...
Amazing to see that this bloke and others are prosecuted yet parachute aircraft still continue to climb and descend through cloud in Vfr aircraft sometimes in rotten conditions yet casa ignores it because it's not considered to be a commercial operation even though the fare paying pax are sometimes paying well in excess of what a 10 min scenic would cost.
The guy states that the flight went to 10,000 feet and I assume that that is legal. The clouds look like they are are ound 3000 feet or lower. The VFR at this altitude is clear of cloud and in sight of the ground (assuming class G). Look carefully at the clouds on take off. Are these towering to 10,000?
If you IFR guys have your heads buryied in the cockpit at 3000 feet on a day like depicted then I feel sorry for your pax and lament your flying skills.
IMHO if CASA even felt remotely like prosecuting this guy I would say they have far too much time on their hands.
I still maintain this is simply a trike pilot having fun
If you IFR guys have your heads buryied in the cockpit at 3000 feet on a day like depicted then I feel sorry for your pax and lament your flying skills.
IMHO if CASA even felt remotely like prosecuting this guy I would say they have far too much time on their hands.
I still maintain this is simply a trike pilot having fun
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Look carefully at the clouds on take off. Are these towering to 10,000?
If you IFR guys have your heads buryied in the cockpit at 3000 feet on a day like depicted then I feel sorry for your pax and lament your flying skills.
IMHO if CASA even felt remotely like prosecuting this guy I would say they have far too much time on their hands.
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Why shouldn't CASA have a go at this guy?
If you are *dumb* enough to break the rules and put it on video for all to see then you get what you deserve. If you break the rules and don't put it on video, you also get what you deserve.
Low flying, yeah sure, you're not really hurting anyone except yourself and scaring some innocent birds, but buzzing around cloud where an innocent RPT operator or IFR job might be punching through, well that's a different story.
If you are *dumb* enough to break the rules and put it on video for all to see then you get what you deserve. If you break the rules and don't put it on video, you also get what you deserve.
Low flying, yeah sure, you're not really hurting anyone except yourself and scaring some innocent birds, but buzzing around cloud where an innocent RPT operator or IFR job might be punching through, well that's a different story.
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is it safe to assume he is on the correct area freq, in contact with (or monitoring centre freq) and aware of any IFR traffic in the area, if any at all?? or, god forbid a trike pilot actually calling up centre and telling them his location? so they can advise IFR traffic of VFR in the area....
Think for a second what happens when you are flying VFR just above the clouds while an IFR flight is climbing THROUGH said clouds. "heads buryied in the cockpit" has nothing to do with this problem. You can't avoid what you can't see.
Really, how many VFR pilots are there out there that have never been close to cloud and is he really likely to make a wrong turn and end up in the cloud?
IMHO there will be far more incriminating videos around than this one.
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The thing that concerns me most is the guys who mess around, push the aircraft to its limits, bend the law, and then go on to be instructors... Just what kind of example are they setting? And who knows what they might be teaching their students!
I've seen video examples of a guy low flying (not in a designated low fly zone of course), and later doing aerobatic manoeuvres for which he was certainly not rated, both with a passenger who filmed the entire thing. And what did the chief instructor do? Ask him to remove the videos from youtube because 'it might bring a bad name to the flight school'. No consequences for the pilot of course.
Perhaps if the authorities did crack down it would send a message to these guys to sharpen up, or maybe they will just learn to cover their tracks better.
I've seen video examples of a guy low flying (not in a designated low fly zone of course), and later doing aerobatic manoeuvres for which he was certainly not rated, both with a passenger who filmed the entire thing. And what did the chief instructor do? Ask him to remove the videos from youtube because 'it might bring a bad name to the flight school'. No consequences for the pilot of course.
Perhaps if the authorities did crack down it would send a message to these guys to sharpen up, or maybe they will just learn to cover their tracks better.
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Recreational aircraft are permitted to 10,000, not sure of Weight shift, as they are governed by a different body again, the Hang glider federation of Oz, and i have seen a few Hang gliders, non radio equipped, around 8500... while im cruising at the same altitude. (usually west of katoomba) now thats a far more scary thought.... 
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You gotta love the quality of the Video, really sharp and clear.
Nice view too.
Now, if he had a radio and used it correctly so some poor IFR sod didn't have a Heart attack then I don't really see a safety problem.
Nice view too.
Now, if he had a radio and used it correctly so some poor IFR sod didn't have a Heart attack then I don't really see a safety problem.