CASA use Show Cause on own FOI

[Jabawocky]

Interesting the Hubble is expected to continue until 2014.

One point of difference it has already achieved what it set out to do

[tail wheel]

I thought the then CASA Director summed up the regulatory review process exceedingly well in his following 2005 statements?

Proof Senate Hansard of the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee hearings of 14 Feb 05, pages 124/5:

Mr Byron—We do not have a firm completion date at this stage, but we should be able to generate that fairly soon. Mr Gemmell mentioned the refocus, I suppose, that I imposed on the organisation in late 2003-04 on getting the rules right and getting the quality. I found it necessary late last year to articulate in a bit more detail some guiding principles about how I wanted that done and who I wanted to be involved in the process.

I have issued some guiding principles on the formulation of new regulations and, if necessary, manuals of standards that accompany them. I have, I suppose, imposed on the system an additional layer of consultation, to assure me that the final draft rules that I send to the minister for consideration by the parliament are the right ones and that they address very carefully risks that are real and necessary issues that must be picked up by regulations. I felt it was necessary to do that to make sure that I have the right rules. I am not going to put my signature to anything that I do not think adequately addresses safety issues.

Senator MARK BISHOP—When do you think those regulations will go to the minister?

Mr Byron—I anticipate we would start sending some of them from about the middle of this year. I do not see this delaying the overall program excessively. We have an action item to develop a plan to forward to the minister about when we plan to have them to the minister, and I assume that plan would be done in the next couple of months. I would be hopeful that it would not be long after early 2006 that most of the draft rules are delivered to the minister.

There is many more tax payer jobs to retirement still in this project!

The Neverending Story. Like Neighbours, only the principal characters change from time to time.

[gobbledock]

Interesting the Hubble is expected to continue until 2014.

That means the Hubble will come to a conclusion probably 10 or so years before the reg reform program will ?
Maybe the Hubble could be used to gauge how much money has been wasted on the prgram so far ? Maybe not, probably not powerful enough.

I would love to see Xenaphon ask for all costings, data, trip records for all the ollie jollies the upper echelon have taken to Canada and the USA, project details, people/resources and basically every minor detail involved in this program to be tabled, scrutinized and disected to ascertain exactly how much money Buffoon Central has wasted c/o the Aussie taxpayer. I think it would exceed the 150 million. Remember, all international trips undertaken by a CASA officer are business/first class, accomodation is up the top of the star rating scale and each person travelling overseas gets a handsome 'daily away allowance' commensurate with their level of pay. Not bad for an exec hey? Estimates are around $20k per person for a 10 day trip, sometimesw even more. Try calculating that and adding 23 years worth to the program total.

Maybe Xenaphon could call for a copy of every ministerial report or any project/progress report submitted to the Ministers office or the Senate since 1988 in relation to the reg reform program so he can again disect it and then get CASA to 'please explain' ?

Why won't the senate act immediately to halt business/first class travel internationally to save taxpayer funds? Maybe the Minister could set an example himself ? Why arent all public servants flying on the 'cheapest fare of the day' policy when they are required to travel instead of choosing their preferred carrier ?

What about clinton and flyingfiend, you boys working on the reg reform program ? Can you give an in-depth and accurate report on its progress ?
Or are you busy sipping coffee or red wine while on yet another ICAO jaunt ?

[Stink Finger]

The "Show Cause" notice has been used on FOI's before.

The one that springs to my mind is an FOI in FNQ was given a show cause by his TLFO at 4pm, the last day before the Christmas / New Year break ( by "given", I mean the notice was left on this FOI's desk, for all to see ).

This FOI was one of the nicest guys and most competent I've met. The TLFO, in my opinion was an oxygen thief.

[blackhand]

You end the 22 year old "reform" process by constructive dialog with the Industry

And that,Grasshopper, is the main problem.
It is almost an oxymoron, constructive and the aviation industry that is.
Casa is trying to please every one, from AMBRO, to AOPA and all the weird and wonderfull individuals in GA.
Just bring in the Regs and every one hardn the fcuk up and comply, or buy a fleet of trucks and try that industry for complexity.

@Gobbleaduck

Estimates are around $20k per person for a 10 day trip, sometimesw even more.

Is this estimate from a bonifide survey or just plucked from your nether regions
Cheers
BH

[Frank Arouet]

That's got to be close to the "post of the year".

[Socket]

Gobbleduck:

Didn't all your internal CASA training teach you that one must not assume or rely on heresay but one must obtain evidence?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHHAAA, really gobble? Evidence? I wasn't aware that word was even in your vocabulary.

[thorn bird]

Frank, mate, have to agree with you."CASA post of the year"

Black adder,sprocket, and Clint (No relation to eastwood)
I imagine you guys delude yourselves and actually believe that
CASA make regulations that are in the Interests of the Industry and the safety of the punter public.
Hate to tell you this but that is utter and complete Bu..sh..T!!!.
CASA make regulations to suit CASA nobody else, which is why they are so out of touch with the rest of the world.
Bureaucrats will never produce regulations that work..if they worked there would be no need to employ more bureaucrats to fix the problems of unworkable regulation. This reproductive imperative explains the thousands of pages of unintelligable rubbish inflicted on the industry and perhaps explains why more and more Government departments set up their own flight departments rather than contracting. They are the only ones who can afford to comply, at the expense of the taxpayer's bottomless pockets.
Black adder would have us all accept that the Government dosnt give a sh..t,
so just accept that, and go do something else, because we have, by regulation made it so expensive that nobody can afford your services.
Okay fine, I accept that, You win.... but what do you pricks do when there is no industry left to "regulate?"...Oh sorry forgot your Public servants!!

[601]

Co-operative, (Consultation style) vs Adversative style

CASA make regulations that are in the Interests of the Industry and the safety of the punter public

CASA try to make regulations that are in the Interests of the Industry and the safety of the punter public. However, once the Office of Legal Counsel and the Office of Legislative Drafting get into the act, all bets are off and you can forget any about Legalisation that will be "client" friendly.

[Stan van de Wiel]

CASA try to make regulations that are in the Interests of the Industry and the safety of the punter public. However, once the Office of Legal Counsel and the Office of Legislative Drafting get into the act, all bets are off and you can forget any about Legalisation that will be "client" friendly.

An earlier posting by a ex Public Servant claimed that the politicians and the G.G. make the regulations???? so why do CASA even attempt what to them appears impossible (23 years and nothing) I honestly believe the G.G. could come up with something workable.

CASA attempts refer to alligning with EASA and FAA for universal acceptance. Why not accept these as THE basis and adjust the language away from legalese, and at least add accountability for the CASA staff.

By general reference there appears one common thread - LAWYERS whether they be politicians, O.L.C and an ADVERSARIAL SYSTEM.

[gobbledock]

Where is Clinton and flyingfiend? Both gone deathly quiet? I am still waiting for them to answer the question on regulatory reform and when it is likely to be completed? Why no response? Has the Skull gagged you? You boys STILL overseas on an olly jolly somewhere? What about your FOI friend, are his wings still clipped?
Perhaps you boys are still mourning the loss of your HR exec, are you missing your pal? Busy picking through an operators manual looking for grammar mistakes and incorrect font style? Perhaps you are working on your own suite of manuals !!! Now that would be hilarious.

Or maybe you are busy preparing submissions for the next round of questioning by Xenaphon? I don't want to whisper this too loud but I think Nick might be on to you boys.
C'mon boys, where are you, using up all those QF frequent flyer points? Please respond, I am worried. Or are you working on yet another internal project, maybe planning to strategize how to finish the regs by 2050?