Landing fee's around Australia?
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but with a private ILS the facts are
This is in no way a criticism for you charging, it is criticising how this government chooses to run aviation.
To compare to the US, the worst you'll see is, say, Fedex, moving into a new airport and sharing cost for installation (or local council because they want the business!), after which the FAA takes ownership of it and maintains it.
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Couldn't agree more baswell about public infrastructure
I think the point I'm trying to make is please don't think regional and remote airports are using these great swathes of revenue to buy ourselves steam yachts, The costs of operating an airport can get pretty scary and I bet the relative cost of maintaining a place as remote as Kowanyama is bloody horrendous compared to an east coast strip.
Its all relative and its all a balancing act that used to be adequately done by the old Department of Aviation god bless 'em. I miss having aviation experts with the interests of the industry in charge. Now we have career bureaucrats with NFI.
Its all relative and its all a balancing act that used to be adequately done by the old Department of Aviation god bless 'em. I miss having aviation experts with the interests of the industry in charge. Now we have career bureaucrats with NFI.
Fair enough about the maintenance cost of a private ILS, fieldmouse.
I don't know the circumstances of your one, but I guess it all depends on the business case (ie was it put up for a training organisation's private use and therefore anyone else should be charged to use it for their own training; or was it partly funded by the commonwealth as a necessary navaid as a shared venture?)
I guess my point was if the thing's there and radiating, it doesn't cost any more if someone flies the approach or not. Tricky one.
I don't know the circumstances of your one, but I guess it all depends on the business case (ie was it put up for a training organisation's private use and therefore anyone else should be charged to use it for their own training; or was it partly funded by the commonwealth as a necessary navaid as a shared venture?)
I guess my point was if the thing's there and radiating, it doesn't cost any more if someone flies the approach or not. Tricky one.
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Yep, the businesses cases differ. Totally bought and installed as part of a trade off for other funding. We got kinda screwed. The original capital asset costs pale into insignificance when you consider long term maintenece and replacement costs. The fact that they are radiating all the time doesn't really mean they are free. You do want your ILS to be maintained so that it works in anger, that costs about $67000pa. If you need it to get in in IMC, its free, if you shoot a practice for currency in VMC, it's not, you pay for its availability until such time as you need it in anger. Yes a local training organisation uses it heavily but they pay the same as everyone else and don't have any priority in the queue so that point is moot. The current charges cover the maint ok but thats all. We would love for AA to install the next one and take it over but we are not holding our breath. One other private ILS I can name has no maint costs associated because of where it is. Luck of the draw.
Wallet crash tackles...
Last time I was at Kowanyama it was 30 bucks and no gate. Silly old me.. I didnt realize that inflation was THAT bad!
The cost of the sealed strip and etc was paid for by Qld and Fed taxpayers.
Might be on Council land, so I guess it becomes a milking cow.
I'm surprised they are not charging for re-entry and take-off as well.!
If you want fly-ins for tourism and etc ... this is an excellent was to keep people away.
And rutans note.... Allbeeneasy has been advised, so that will be corrected..
Hahahaaaaa!
Thanks for the laugh!
The cost of the sealed strip and etc was paid for by Qld and Fed taxpayers.
Might be on Council land, so I guess it becomes a milking cow.
I'm surprised they are not charging for re-entry and take-off as well.!
If you want fly-ins for tourism and etc ... this is an excellent was to keep people away.
And rutans note.... Allbeeneasy has been advised, so that will be corrected..
Hahahaaaaa!
Thanks for the laugh!
Kalumburu, $600.
Melbourne, $260
London Gatwick, £800
Los Angeles International, $25
I still think Nagambie's fee is the best in the ERSA. At least you know exactly what use they put the landing fees towards.
Melbourne, $260
London Gatwick, £800
Los Angeles International, $25
I still think Nagambie's fee is the best in the ERSA. At least you know exactly what use they put the landing fees towards.
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The cost of the sealed strip and etc was paid for by Qld and Fed taxpayers.
Yep, and all the roads I'll ever need to drive on have already been built and yet they still tax my unleaded. Go figure!
Agree on Albanese. The man is a tool.
Agree on Albanese. The man is a tool.
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Yep, and all the roads I'll ever need to drive on have already been built and yet they still tax my unleaded.
Al we ask for is some fairness. If road and fuel tax is put towards maintaining council roads, why isn't aviation fuel tax and AsA dividend put towards maintaining the public aviation infrastructure?
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why isn't aviation fuel tax and AsA dividend put towards maintaining the public aviat
Hey Baswell. That's an easy one. Way back in the days of the local ownership program when the commonwealth divested itself of airports, they gradually stopped all funding and told the councils they were on their own. The trade off for aviation was they dramatically reduced the tax grab on aviation fuel (at the time) to compensate pilots for the new user pays regime. Now, unless you are a remote, essential strip (like Kowanyama) or have a zillion pax you can charge (like Ballina,Coffs and Maroochy) or are just a monolithic car park and shopping centre like the majors, you are pretty much on your own.There is a limit to what ratepayers can and will bear and rate pegging means if they fund the airport they probably can't afford to also have a working sewerage system in town. we could make the RPT's pay for it all, but then a ticket for a 45 min flight to the city would be $500 and regional RPT would die. So it gets shared around.
sewer-rage
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At YMBA that problem already exists.!
Council get $14 mil for airport dev. Consultant sharks have a good bite.
All smiles and claps for Capn Blight as a vote buyer.?
Alas ..NO state funding avabl for the urgently needed sewerage scheme.
(Est 30$mil !!.. no sh*t) Qld broke ??
Probably like the local fire station funding .. application "mislaid by a bureaucrat in BNE"... and only found AFTER the ceasation of such funding. Smells a bit.
The "mislaid" statement is a euphemism for... We're broke... NIL $s avbl.
So... for the populace,/ the PBR ( poor bloody ratepayers ) which should have the priority.... a schmicky airstrip for some, or the proper treatment of the waste of all.?
But thats pollie tricks for ya.!
At YMBA that problem already exists.!
Council get $14 mil for airport dev. Consultant sharks have a good bite.
All smiles and claps for Capn Blight as a vote buyer.?
Alas ..NO state funding avabl for the urgently needed sewerage scheme.
(Est 30$mil !!.. no sh*t) Qld broke ??
Probably like the local fire station funding .. application "mislaid by a bureaucrat in BNE"... and only found AFTER the ceasation of such funding. Smells a bit.
The "mislaid" statement is a euphemism for... We're broke... NIL $s avbl.
So... for the populace,/ the PBR ( poor bloody ratepayers ) which should have the priority.... a schmicky airstrip for some, or the proper treatment of the waste of all.?
But thats pollie tricks for ya.!
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Connellan my most expensive so far... $55 LF + $38/night.
And the escort in and out....
YSMB $10 or less with prior permission... up to 2.5 million for company and $250,000 per individual without. Thanks to this great gov't that is about as useful as an air pocket on a singlet.
And whoever reckons your fuel taxes are actually going to roads?
Like the US, but in different ways, we now have a civilisation in decline.
And the escort in and out....
YSMB $10 or less with prior permission... up to 2.5 million for company and $250,000 per individual without. Thanks to this great gov't that is about as useful as an air pocket on a singlet.
And whoever reckons your fuel taxes are actually going to roads?
Like the US, but in different ways, we now have a civilisation in decline.
