BIRDSVILLE LANDING FEE RIP OFF
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BIRDSVILLE LANDING FEE RIP OFF
Having just had 6 aircraft through Birdsville for the races I recieved a bill from Intergrated Airport Solutions. Apparently they control the landing charges during the race week and charge each aircraft $25 per person for the privledge of landing. This equated to $200 per aircraft, where normally it is around $50
As some who puts aircraft through this port fortnightly with normal landing charges payable it is a blatant rip off.
Why apart from an "iconic" race meeting that is not attracting the numbers it use to why would you even go to Birdsville. Thargomindah is a much more tourist freindly location that actually cares about visitors, and charges reasonable landing fees.
All the cars that arrived in town weren't charged extra for merely turning up at Birdsville, yet this company gets away with a surcharge due to the timing.
As some who puts aircraft through this port fortnightly with normal landing charges payable it is a blatant rip off.
Why apart from an "iconic" race meeting that is not attracting the numbers it use to why would you even go to Birdsville. Thargomindah is a much more tourist freindly location that actually cares about visitors, and charges reasonable landing fees.
All the cars that arrived in town weren't charged extra for merely turning up at Birdsville, yet this company gets away with a surcharge due to the timing.
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Someone has to pay for the up-keep on the runway and facilities. Road taxes from cars unfortunately don't cover this.
In reality it's no different to the Marree Progress Society forcing all commercial operators to buy Avgas through them and them taking some high price per litre as progress "tax."
In reality it's no different to the Marree Progress Society forcing all commercial operators to buy Avgas through them and them taking some high price per litre as progress "tax."
I dont recall getting charged when I landed there 20 years ago for the races but I can understand the organising needed and if they are providing something for your fee such as a dunny, a shower, extra ATC and security, that seems fair.
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Seems rather excessive, but it is in ERSA, so it should not have come as a surprise.
What surprises me more is that you pay landing fees the rest of the year as ERSA mentions nothing about those.
You can't hang out and advert for people to come to your airport (i.e.: ERSA) and when they land, suddenly charge them a fee.
No mention of fees in ERSA or in my PPR phone call = no fee for you.
What surprises me more is that you pay landing fees the rest of the year as ERSA mentions nothing about those.
You can't hang out and advert for people to come to your airport (i.e.: ERSA) and when they land, suddenly charge them a fee.
No mention of fees in ERSA or in my PPR phone call = no fee for you.
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Hmmm...
I've been there twice and paid around $20 - $25 per passenger IIRC.
I'm guessing that pays for the CAGRS service, firewood collection, portaloos, showers, marshalls and weather service (for the return flight).
Not a rip-off IMHO.
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I'm guessing that pays for the CAGRS service, firewood collection, portaloos, showers, marshalls and weather service (for the return flight).
Not a rip-off IMHO.
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firewood collection, portaloos, showers
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Landing fees and fuel charges
Ah' XXXX,,,, the good old Marree "Lack of Progress Association" !!!!!
The airfield built at the tax payer's expense (for the RFDS) and the locals (LOPA) want more money (and no reciepts), I wont go into the fuel debacle!!
The airfield built at the tax payer's expense (for the RFDS) and the locals (LOPA) want more money (and no reciepts), I wont go into the fuel debacle!!
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Last time I was there it was 20 bucks per head. We were chatting about it in front of some others whom had driven in and were camping. They had also been hit with a $20 fee to camp, make use of the portaloo's etc, this was on top of the caravan parks 'normal' fee.
i felt a lot happier paying my 20 bucks thats for sure!
And seriously...when you consider this as a percentage of the cost of your flight...............................
I reckon the fuel charges were much worse.
i felt a lot happier paying my 20 bucks thats for sure!
And seriously...when you consider this as a percentage of the cost of your flight...............................
I reckon the fuel charges were much worse.
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Most of you missed the point.
1. I have never advocated not paying for services ie reasonable landing fees for services provided - but a blatant rip off is unacceptable.
2. Have any of you actually used the services provided in Birdsville? Passengers usually use the toilet facilities in the Hotel NOT the airport. The runway and ancillary facilities were provided under the Commonwealth when we use to pay a set Air Navigation Charge for an Aircraft each year. Maintenance for this airport is not that excessive as it is in a generally dry climate (I speak from experience as I am also a Structural Engineer that specialised in Road, Drainage & Bridge designed which is allied to airport design)
2. For those that haven't been to Birdsville, apart from the $25 per person fee at the aerodrome there is another $20 to get into the race meeting - the race entry fee is reasonable considering what needs to be provided for the "punters".
So the total for anyone flying into Birdsville to go to the races is in actual fact $45 per person.
Whether people like it or not Australian Tourism is in very much a decline due to the $AUD, and anyone in the Industry will tell you it is very difficult for company's to attract clients to "see Australia" rather than go to Bali or the USA.
So when small towns that need every dollar in tourism they can get start down the road of excessive charges people vote with their feet. I surmise that this years race meeting, with a very much reduced attendance, is an example of what is happening.
It is time for the Diamantina Shire Council to re think their strategy and perhaps be a bit more user freindly to company's that actual bring people to their area to spend money and provide employment- especially ones that consistently operate throughout the year as well as for the "first weekend in September".
1. I have never advocated not paying for services ie reasonable landing fees for services provided - but a blatant rip off is unacceptable.
2. Have any of you actually used the services provided in Birdsville? Passengers usually use the toilet facilities in the Hotel NOT the airport. The runway and ancillary facilities were provided under the Commonwealth when we use to pay a set Air Navigation Charge for an Aircraft each year. Maintenance for this airport is not that excessive as it is in a generally dry climate (I speak from experience as I am also a Structural Engineer that specialised in Road, Drainage & Bridge designed which is allied to airport design)
2. For those that haven't been to Birdsville, apart from the $25 per person fee at the aerodrome there is another $20 to get into the race meeting - the race entry fee is reasonable considering what needs to be provided for the "punters".
So the total for anyone flying into Birdsville to go to the races is in actual fact $45 per person.
Whether people like it or not Australian Tourism is in very much a decline due to the $AUD, and anyone in the Industry will tell you it is very difficult for company's to attract clients to "see Australia" rather than go to Bali or the USA.
So when small towns that need every dollar in tourism they can get start down the road of excessive charges people vote with their feet. I surmise that this years race meeting, with a very much reduced attendance, is an example of what is happening.
It is time for the Diamantina Shire Council to re think their strategy and perhaps be a bit more user freindly to company's that actual bring people to their area to spend money and provide employment- especially ones that consistently operate throughout the year as well as for the "first weekend in September".
I agree with what you say 'Dehav' but what is a fair price these days in the user pays world? I used to go to BDV 20 yrs ago when it was fun & virtually free but would avoid the place like the plague these days as it's too controlled & costly.
We now live in an over regulated society that stretches far & wide
Apart from the cost what was the general atmosphere like there this year?
Fred's B's boxing tent still in action there?
Wmk2
We now live in an over regulated society that stretches far & wide
Apart from the cost what was the general atmosphere like there this year?
Fred's B's boxing tent still in action there?
Wmk2
If you can privately afford the hourly operating costs of a small GA aircraft, then you can most certainly afford twenty or so bucks to land it.
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Fred's B's boxing tent still in action there?
First time I've been there so can't speak for general atmosphere this year, but the Brophy tent was awesome, some very entertaining fights wen't down.
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If you can privately afford the hourly operating costs of a small GA aircraft, then you can most certainly afford twenty or so bucks to land it.
Oh wait, they don't charge $20 for that, they just put it up so they win some business from people passing through.
You are missing the point, I am afraid...