Simplest VFR route into Essendon
Geez, it didn't seem so complicated when Chuckles and I went into Essendon in the big round-engined Cessna.
Dr
PS: Mind you, the "cone of silence" threw Chuckles for a bit!
Dr
PS: Mind you, the "cone of silence" threw Chuckles for a bit!
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Oh, the VAR cone of silence.
I still have the book.
Soon to be outmoded by ADSB as I read on the Aust Aviation Blog. Or as envisaged by the blob of blithering incompetence. Someone qualified should really say something here about 11/227372 and the 20nm radius.
Sorry Jabba, (someone will probably ring you), but "loudmouth" is a bit rich mate. You bet and lost.
I still have the book.
Soon to be outmoded by ADSB as I read on the Aust Aviation Blog. Or as envisaged by the blob of blithering incompetence. Someone qualified should really say something here about 11/227372 and the 20nm radius.
Sorry Jabba, (someone will probably ring you), but "loudmouth" is a bit rich mate. You bet and lost.
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Essendon
All good advice on here, listen to Wally Mk2 especially as he knows how to get the best out of EN ATC
The earlier you contact ML Radar on 135.7 the better information you will get, if not a clearance then the best advice on how to get into EN.
It would also pay to ring the ASO at EN (number in ERSA) to arrange parking and advise them if you do not have an ASIC and will need an escort.
PM Me if you have any other questiopns and above all ENJOY the flight.
Regards,
KIR
The earlier you contact ML Radar on 135.7 the better information you will get, if not a clearance then the best advice on how to get into EN.
It would also pay to ring the ASO at EN (number in ERSA) to arrange parking and advise them if you do not have an ASIC and will need an escort.
PM Me if you have any other questiopns and above all ENJOY the flight.
Regards,
KIR
A simple thing, but don't forget the YMEN code 0100 on your transponder. I usually dial it up a few minutes before calling EN tower to give them a heads up, it seems to help.
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Another simple thing; Make sure you've tuned 125.1 and not 121.5 for the tower. Made that mistake before
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And good on you for asking and planning properly. We wouldn't have half the GA accidents we do if everyone had the same attitude.
Kudos
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Another simple thing; Make sure you've tuned 125.1 and not 121.5 for the tower. Made that mistake before
.And good on you for asking and planning properly. We wouldn't have half the GA accidents we do if everyone had the same attitude.
Kudos
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I have an ASIC, and I usualy ring the tower a day or two befote if I've never been before. In places like Alice Springs it really helps to know the major navigation points. We're in Melbourne for work and family.The food and cafes are great but I find the better end accomodation quite pricey. Some of the best golf courses in the world of course.
I love Melbourne..went down for the Avalon airshow this year and got a really sunurnt face. I got to tour over the Connie and all the other treats.
I love Melbourne..went down for the Avalon airshow this year and got a really sunurnt face. I got to tour over the Connie and all the other treats.
Better to track to a position about 6nm to the north west of Essendon.
Call YMEN tower as you cross the intersection of the two long black strips the run east-west and north-south, tell them your inbound and want a clearance. Also remind the tower guy that your transponder is not working, and will that be hassle when you wish to depart later in the day?
If the tower guy gets excited, ask him to speak s-l-o-w-l-y as you are dealing with a lot of other traffic that doesn't seem to be on the correct frequency.
Call YMEN tower as you cross the intersection of the two long black strips the run east-west and north-south, tell them your inbound and want a clearance. Also remind the tower guy that your transponder is not working, and will that be hassle when you wish to depart later in the day?
If the tower guy gets excited, ask him to speak s-l-o-w-l-y as you are dealing with a lot of other traffic that doesn't seem to be on the correct frequency.
Hey 'CG' (Gold Coast) I would never say such a thing but I did always luv stirring you guys up in that lofty twr of yrs My fav saying was when you guys would say 'yr No 1'...........I would often respond.............'that's what my mun used to say'
'Mimpe' BTW careful on tracking via the NW route (Via Kyenton )& then down via the 'western lane' (Rockbank then West Gate bridge etc)_as Mt Macedon near Woodend has claimed a few lives over the years. Trust me I'd like a dollar for every time I have heard a lighty fly low over the Macedon Ranges area (west of the Macedon western face) obviously in non VMC conditions, nasty WX here at times.
Wmk2, misses the good 'ole days
) I would never say such a thing but I did always luv stirring you guys up in that lofty twr of yrs My fav saying was when you guys would say 'yr No 1'...........I would often respond.............'that's what my mun used to say''Mimpe' BTW careful on tracking via the NW route (Via Kyenton )& then down via the 'western lane' (Rockbank then West Gate bridge etc)_as Mt Macedon near Woodend has claimed a few lives over the years. Trust me I'd like a dollar for every time I have heard a lighty fly low over the Macedon Ranges area (west of the Macedon western face) obviously in non VMC conditions, nasty WX here at times.
Wmk2, misses the good 'ole days
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It's been a long while since I've flown VFR down that way but if I remember correctly, from Woodend to Melton, the class C lower limit is 3500 ft and the terrain around Woodend is 2000 ft. And closer to Melton the C LL is 2500 ft. I don't have a Melbourne VTC handy, but do correct me if I'm wrong.
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This has become an interesting read that's for sure. What has to be one of the easiest class C airports to fly into now looks like getting into Dallas international. In fact Dallas probably seems easier after reading all this thread!
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I don't find it difficult myself, but for someone who has never been there before, it can be challenging due to its close proximity with YMML.
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Its alwaysthe same..first time is hardest.
I'm in and out or Canberra all the time andit seems easy. Even vfr round Sydney basin . But I've never been down to Vic so I just wanted a nice consensus from the locals!
I've even got a coastal route worked out Hunter Valley to YMEN....theres bound to be a day when the cloud base is 2200 all the way!
I'm in and out or Canberra all the time andit seems easy. Even vfr round Sydney basin . But I've never been down to Vic so I just wanted a nice consensus from the locals!
I've even got a coastal route worked out Hunter Valley to YMEN....theres bound to be a day when the cloud base is 2200 all the way!
AND....best advice....give the guys and girls a ring at EN TWR on morning of launch or even night before...a more helpful bunch you will not find....wellll...maybe Launy...they will set you right and will be most accommodating when do arrive
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Thanks OZBus..will do. We'll pick a quiet arrival time and have a stop in Albury on the way.
It will be mid October in VH-CLQ ..a trusty old C182.. me, the wife (pursed lips and eyes occasionally closed) and dad, who used to fly as a ppl in the early 1950's.
It will be mid October in VH-CLQ ..a trusty old C182.. me, the wife (pursed lips and eyes occasionally closed) and dad, who used to fly as a ppl in the early 1950's.
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135.7 Is now ML CENTRE, although they still refer to themselves as RADAR.
I did all my training out of YMEN and i still currently fly out of YMEN.
My suggestion is Log a Flight Plan, get the ATIS 119.8 @ seymour and Request Airways Clearance from ML CN on 135.7 at Kilmore and they will vector you all the way in, piece of cake!
However make sure you do log a plan because i quickly learnt that without it and especially if YMML active RWY was 27 'clearance was unavailable at this time' and ask you to track to Kalkalo or Yan Yean Resevoir.
But with a plan it was almost a given to get the clearance because they were already expecting you.
If it really comes to the crunch, don't 'request' airways clearance..... 'require' airways clearance and they must give it to you.....
Otherwise track around to West Gate Bridge or Albert Park Lake and you'll be laughing.
Much easier that way, hope it helps.
I did all my training out of YMEN and i still currently fly out of YMEN.
My suggestion is Log a Flight Plan, get the ATIS 119.8 @ seymour and Request Airways Clearance from ML CN on 135.7 at Kilmore and they will vector you all the way in, piece of cake!
However make sure you do log a plan because i quickly learnt that without it and especially if YMML active RWY was 27 'clearance was unavailable at this time' and ask you to track to Kalkalo or Yan Yean Resevoir.
But with a plan it was almost a given to get the clearance because they were already expecting you.
If it really comes to the crunch, don't 'request' airways clearance..... 'require' airways clearance and they must give it to you.....
Otherwise track around to West Gate Bridge or Albert Park Lake and you'll be laughing.
Much easier that way, hope it helps.
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