Chopper down in Suburban Sydney
Haven't any of you learned anything from the Murdoch press debacle???
The job of the media is to get the story, no matter what! If said chopper pilot consistently does not "push in" and get comparable images to the other media helicopters, he will be looking for another job before too long.
The job of the media is to get the story, no matter what! If said chopper pilot consistently does not "push in" and get comparable images to the other media helicopters, he will be looking for another job before too long.
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An eyewitness report stated that the aircraft was inverted when a part was seen to fall off....
Underslung teetering rotor heads as are fitted to the Bell 206 series are very unstable when unloaded or upside down, If the aircraft became inverted the main rotor blades would have cut off the tailboom just behind the horizontal stabiliser.
This would have been the part seen to have "fallen off" the aircraft.
Heard today from people on the ground .... the tail rotor and vertical fin assembly were located around 50-100 metres from the main impact site.......
Underslung teetering rotor heads as are fitted to the Bell 206 series are very unstable when unloaded or upside down, If the aircraft became inverted the main rotor blades would have cut off the tailboom just behind the horizontal stabiliser.
This would have been the part seen to have "fallen off" the aircraft.
Heard today from people on the ground .... the tail rotor and vertical fin assembly were located around 50-100 metres from the main impact site.......
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The job of the media is to get the story, no matter what! If said chopper pilot consistently does not "push in" and get comparable images to the other media helicopters, he will be looking for another job before too long.
Slander refers to spoken word, not internet publishing.Either way, if true, it is despicable behaviour.
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poor form
Avid Aviator of Sydney Harbour, Kulwin Park, Trojan 981, Tidbinbilla, Zanthus, Jack Ranga, Pyrotek, Sunfish, Worrals in the wild.
Where did you all get your facts to slag off the media helicopters that were at the Sydney accident scenr?
Did you ring up the Rescue Helicopter to confirm the facts and not the hearsay report of Avid Aviator?
Did you ring up Polair to confirm the facts and not the hearsay put forward by Avid Aviator?
No !!!
I didn't think so.
If you had you would have been told that when the rescue helicopter neared the scene the three (not four) media helicopters vacated the area and actually guided the Rescue Helicopter in to the scene. The media helicopters then remained away from the scene until the Rescue helicopter left the area.
I was there !!! Get your facts right before dishing the mud on fellow pilots or keep your big mouths shut.
I feel disgusted that derogatory comments are made on hearsay and not facts. You all should be ashamed not the media pilots who did all they could to help.
Where did you all get your facts to slag off the media helicopters that were at the Sydney accident scenr?
Did you ring up the Rescue Helicopter to confirm the facts and not the hearsay report of Avid Aviator?
Did you ring up Polair to confirm the facts and not the hearsay put forward by Avid Aviator?
No !!!
I didn't think so.
If you had you would have been told that when the rescue helicopter neared the scene the three (not four) media helicopters vacated the area and actually guided the Rescue Helicopter in to the scene. The media helicopters then remained away from the scene until the Rescue helicopter left the area.
I was there !!! Get your facts right before dishing the mud on fellow pilots or keep your big mouths shut.
I feel disgusted that derogatory comments are made on hearsay and not facts. You all should be ashamed not the media pilots who did all they could to help.
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As I said, it's all recorded. If the facts come out as you say then the person on here that indicated otherwise will be seen for what he/she is.
Appropriate action can then be taken against the individual. The internet is not completely anonymous.
Appropriate action can then be taken against the individual. The internet is not completely anonymous.
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Where did you all get your facts to slag off the media helicopters that were at the Sydney accident scenr?
If they assisted in this case then well done to them.
Avid Aviator posted what he had heard on the frequency. That is not hearsay. It might be BS and so might your post (or any post on this site), but it's not hearsay. If he had posted what a friend had told him he had heard on frequency, that would be hearsay.
Hearsay
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Hearsay
tjhawkeye,
It's not hearsay, it's what I heard first hand.
You are correct when you say the helicopters did move out of the way and I also agree that they were providing some information about the accident site to Rescue.
However: There were four choppers + Rescue, total of 5.
The first 2 or 3 requests to vacate overhead were replied to with traffic information, despite Rescue clearly stating he wasn't coming in until the traffic was out of the way. This delayed their approach to the scene by several minutes.
When the media choppers finally moved they headed south, despite Rescue repeatedly stating he was approaching from the south and needed the traffic to vacate in a different direction (preferably to the east - he was very clear with his requirements).
But you'd know this if you were there....
I stand by my comments and was very disappointed in the behaviour of a few fellow aviators.
It's not hearsay, it's what I heard first hand.
You are correct when you say the helicopters did move out of the way and I also agree that they were providing some information about the accident site to Rescue.
However: There were four choppers + Rescue, total of 5.
The first 2 or 3 requests to vacate overhead were replied to with traffic information, despite Rescue clearly stating he wasn't coming in until the traffic was out of the way. This delayed their approach to the scene by several minutes.
When the media choppers finally moved they headed south, despite Rescue repeatedly stating he was approaching from the south and needed the traffic to vacate in a different direction (preferably to the east - he was very clear with his requirements).
But you'd know this if you were there....
I stand by my comments and was very disappointed in the behaviour of a few fellow aviators.
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I wasn't there, but just curious...is it possible that one or more of them were a bit freaked out, rather than being deliberately obstructive?
Accidents with injuries / fatalities are confusing and stressful places to be even when you're on the ground, let alone flying a chopper attending a chopper accident, which would be a heck of a lot more confronting than run-of-the-mill factory fires and traffic jams.
Accidents with injuries / fatalities are confusing and stressful places to be even when you're on the ground, let alone flying a chopper attending a chopper accident, which would be a heck of a lot more confronting than run-of-the-mill factory fires and traffic jams.
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Avid Aviator.
If you had been at the scene you would have known that the only way in or out (because of the weather) was to the south.
On leaving the scene the Rescue Helicopter thanked the media helicopters for their help.
Much of the conversations were on 120.8 which you must not have heard otherwise you would not be bad mouthing fellow pilots doing their best in very sad circumstances.
If you had been at the scene you would have known that the only way in or out (because of the weather) was to the south.
On leaving the scene the Rescue Helicopter thanked the media helicopters for their help.
Much of the conversations were on 120.8 which you must not have heard otherwise you would not be bad mouthing fellow pilots doing their best in very sad circumstances.
