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Jetstar Cadetship
Trying to sort out from the Jet* website if there is a bond or years of sevice requirement applic. to the cadetship.
Can any cadet out there fill in the missing info?
Ps..Not looking for a debate on the merits of the cadetship!
Can any cadet out there fill in the missing info?
Ps..Not looking for a debate on the merits of the cadetship!
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I'm not a cadet but it is written on this page
"Jetstar will provide you with sponsorship (AUD 21K) towards the training costs of the ACP, provided you stay with Jetstar for 6 years. In addition to this Jetstar will fund (up front) the remaining costs of the ACP program - this will be repaid to Jetstar by cadets over a period of 6 years whilst you are employed as a pilot operating for Jetstar.
Should you leave for any reason, you will need to immediately repay all outstanding amounts."
Ab-initio stuff you still need to fund yourself on top of that
"Jetstar will provide you with sponsorship (AUD 21K) towards the training costs of the ACP, provided you stay with Jetstar for 6 years. In addition to this Jetstar will fund (up front) the remaining costs of the ACP program - this will be repaid to Jetstar by cadets over a period of 6 years whilst you are employed as a pilot operating for Jetstar.
Should you leave for any reason, you will need to immediately repay all outstanding amounts."
Ab-initio stuff you still need to fund yourself on top of that
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Crikeys, I'm certainly not anti-cadet, but even the smallest amount of digging in the dirt should have already unearthed a wealth of information concerning the poison chalice that is Jetstar (or the Qantas Group in general, these days), or are you just suffering from SJS (Shiny Jet Syndrome)? Perfectly understandable, as we've all been there at some point in our careers. However, you'd have to be hiding in a cave for the last couple of years not to realise that pursuing this avenue amounts to career suicide before it's even started off the blocks. Aside from the fine print points of the training contract, just look at salary terms & conditions down the track, staff morale (or lack of it), a culture of hatred towards the pilot group (instigated from the very top of the management tree), and on and on. Don't just do your research on the here-&-now, look at the long-term prospects with this organisation too.
I don't work for JQ, but have some good friends who do (& friends who DID, before finally seeing the light & taking their business elsewhere). It's not a happy place to be, but one of the biggest symptoms of SJS is a clouding of vision.
Sorry for bursting the bubble (although rest assured there'll be plenty on this forum who won't be anywhere near as diplomatic in their choice of words). It just angers me more each day to see the way that senior management of the Qantas Group (of which Jetstar is included) are hellbent on pursuing their agenda at the expense of employee engagement, morale, & pride in their jobs & the organisations they've devoted their careers to. If you're still intent on pursuing it, good luck. Just be careful what you wish for...
I don't work for JQ, but have some good friends who do (& friends who DID, before finally seeing the light & taking their business elsewhere). It's not a happy place to be, but one of the biggest symptoms of SJS is a clouding of vision.
Sorry for bursting the bubble (although rest assured there'll be plenty on this forum who won't be anywhere near as diplomatic in their choice of words). It just angers me more each day to see the way that senior management of the Qantas Group (of which Jetstar is included) are hellbent on pursuing their agenda at the expense of employee engagement, morale, & pride in their jobs & the organisations they've devoted their careers to. If you're still intent on pursuing it, good luck. Just be careful what you wish for...
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What i'm interested in is doing the abinitio part, which is self funded, using the help of HECC loan, then pulling the plug on Jet*.
That why i need to know if you are tied to Jetstar in this first phase.
A cunning plan...maybe!
That why i need to know if you are tied to Jetstar in this first phase.
A cunning plan...maybe!
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Why do you need J* involvement at all then?? Just go and do a course on your own. My understanding is that if you fail to complete the course or take-up employment with Jetstar you are still liable for ALL associated costs.
Signing up to a cadetship that you have absolutely no intention of completing is dishonest in my opinion, perhaps you should not be looking to fly at all and apply for a job in Airline Management
Signing up to a cadetship that you have absolutely no intention of completing is dishonest in my opinion, perhaps you should not be looking to fly at all and apply for a job in Airline Management
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What i'm interested in is doing the abinitio part, which is self funded, using the help of HECC loan, then pulling the plug on Jet*.
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Or the devils view....
The lad is playing management at their own game.
Bit like insurance fraud in that the net result will be costlier/worse terms for future participants.
Keep it clean mate. This industry is too small to be burning bridges this early in ones career.
The lad is playing management at their own game.
Bit like insurance fraud in that the net result will be costlier/worse terms for future participants.
Keep it clean mate. This industry is too small to be burning bridges this early in ones career.
You can get Fee-help through Swinburne TAFE, train at oxford, still takes 18months, taught by the same people, costs less as you don't have to do a King Air and Multi Crew waste of times.
Having said all that, it costs a lot more to train somewhere with fee-help, if you can get the cash together go elsewhere and save your dosh.
Having said all that, it costs a lot more to train somewhere with fee-help, if you can get the cash together go elsewhere and save your dosh.
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Think the answer has been well stated, I'm finishing my CPL and will be applying with as many cadet programs (pre-qual) to get into jets, Although i think i might get my instructor rating until i get accepted.
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The problem with FEE-HELP is that as it is currently structured, it has a few critical limitations for aviation training.
1) It's designed for tertiary academic education. That means only those programs that are offered by, or in association with, a university course can qualify. These programs are typically more expensive than a straight-up "learn to fly" regime, although with one or two exceptions, are invariably good quality, highly-regarded programs.
2) The lifetime loan limit currently sits around $85k, including any previous assistance in HECS. That means if you have an undergraduate degree you had help paying for, you probably only have $55k-ish left to fund your flying.
3) Repayment rates are crippling once you move to full employment - the "indexation" applied to your "interest free" loan is often more expensive than repaying a bank student loan, if you can qualify for one, and the bank is more flexible in its repayment options.
1) It's designed for tertiary academic education. That means only those programs that are offered by, or in association with, a university course can qualify. These programs are typically more expensive than a straight-up "learn to fly" regime, although with one or two exceptions, are invariably good quality, highly-regarded programs.
2) The lifetime loan limit currently sits around $85k, including any previous assistance in HECS. That means if you have an undergraduate degree you had help paying for, you probably only have $55k-ish left to fund your flying.
3) Repayment rates are crippling once you move to full employment - the "indexation" applied to your "interest free" loan is often more expensive than repaying a bank student loan, if you can qualify for one, and the bank is more flexible in its repayment options.
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@Woodwork, your statement(s) are incorrect.
Not true, the ~85K figure is the loan limit for provision of FEE-HELP. Academic studies (for the award of a Bachelor degree) are covered seperately under the guise of HECS-HELP.
Again, not true.
First, compulsory repayments do not commence until your income exceeds $47,196 (for the 2011-12 financial year).
Second, with CPI at ~3% (and no 'interest' to be paid on the balance) how is a bank students loan (aka 10+%p.a) cheaper?
Third, 'flexible repayment options'...? Sure, you may be able to defer repayments whilst studying (just like -HELP), but watch out for the banks firm hand in your pocket when you start getting hit up with that excessive interest rate. With FEE-HELP, once your income hits $47,196 your repayment rate is 4.0% (pretty good considering union fees alone will take 1%) of your salary. You must appreciate that the bank will be calculating repayments based on the size of the loan, the ATO calculates your HELP repayments based on a proportion of your income... Much more manageable.
2) The lifetime loan limit currently sits around $85k, including any previous assistance in HECS. That means if you have an undergraduate degree you had help paying for, you probably only have $55k-ish left to fund your flying.
3) Repayment rates are crippling once you move to full employment - the "indexation" applied to your "interest free" loan is often more expensive than repaying a bank student loan, if you can qualify for one, and the bank is more flexible in its repayment options.
First, compulsory repayments do not commence until your income exceeds $47,196 (for the 2011-12 financial year).
Second, with CPI at ~3% (and no 'interest' to be paid on the balance) how is a bank students loan (aka 10+%p.a) cheaper?
Third, 'flexible repayment options'...? Sure, you may be able to defer repayments whilst studying (just like -HELP), but watch out for the banks firm hand in your pocket when you start getting hit up with that excessive interest rate. With FEE-HELP, once your income hits $47,196 your repayment rate is 4.0% (pretty good considering union fees alone will take 1%) of your salary. You must appreciate that the bank will be calculating repayments based on the size of the loan, the ATO calculates your HELP repayments based on a proportion of your income... Much more manageable.
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Oh Dear!!
Looks like the powers that be at Swinburne University have got wise to the smoke and mirrors at Petteford's flying school at Moorabbin. For those that don't know that is Oxford Aviation Academy, the so called world leader.
Just came across this job advery on the AFAP site.
Seems they now want to employ someone soley to keep an eye on them!!
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Looks like the powers that be at Swinburne University have got wise to the smoke and mirrors at Petteford's flying school at Moorabbin. For those that don't know that is Oxford Aviation Academy, the so called world leader.
Just came across this job advery on the AFAP site.
Aviation Liaison Coordinator
This is a part time position (3 days per week) within the Swinburne Aviation Higher Education flying training programs.
The incumbent will be required to provide a liaison role between the Swinburne Higher Education flying program and Oxford Aviation Academy. This would include monitoring student progress, training timetables and results timelines, working with OAA to achieve required cohort progression, maintaining regular student contact including providing advice on program specifics such as prerequisites, pathways and exemptions and providing a welfare/counselling role.
This is not an academic position and as such does not require academic qualifications (although preferable). However experience in the provision of Aviation education and / or training, or current or past holder of an Air Transport Pilot Licence and Instructor Rating or regulator delegate to perform flight crew assessment and training would be of advantage.
This is a part time position (3 days per week) within the Swinburne Aviation Higher Education flying training programs.
The incumbent will be required to provide a liaison role between the Swinburne Higher Education flying program and Oxford Aviation Academy. This would include monitoring student progress, training timetables and results timelines, working with OAA to achieve required cohort progression, maintaining regular student contact including providing advice on program specifics such as prerequisites, pathways and exemptions and providing a welfare/counselling role.
This is not an academic position and as such does not require academic qualifications (although preferable). However experience in the provision of Aviation education and / or training, or current or past holder of an Air Transport Pilot Licence and Instructor Rating or regulator delegate to perform flight crew assessment and training would be of advantage.
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Sorry Kelpie, I like a good OAA conspiracy too but this was an existing position, the old incumbent left Mayish last year... why they are only looking to replace him now does raise questions. There was a time when communication seemed to be lacking but things have picked up recently, mostly due to students stamping their feet!
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Thanks for filling in the gaps melbourneuniboy.
Glad to hear the students are realizing that they are the customers and demanding a bit of satisfaction!!
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Glad to hear the students are realizing that they are the customers and demanding a bit of satisfaction!!
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Hey guys/girls I have a CPL with Multi-Engine IFR Rating
& an Instructor Rating with approx 500hrs but no ATPL subjects and I was going to apply for the Jetstar Cadet program, but should I apply for the Advanced program or the Ab-Initio program as the Advanced program requires you have CPL, MULTI IFR RATING & ATPL Subjects but I might be over qualified for the Ab-initio program as it's for people who have little or no flying experience
Thanks in advance to everyone
& an Instructor Rating with approx 500hrs but no ATPL subjects and I was going to apply for the Jetstar Cadet program, but should I apply for the Advanced program or the Ab-Initio program as the Advanced program requires you have CPL, MULTI IFR RATING & ATPL Subjects but I might be over qualified for the Ab-initio program as it's for people who have little or no flying experience
Thanks in advance to everyone
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I have a CPL with Multi-Engine IFR Rating
& an Instructor Rating with approx 500hrs but no ATPL subjects
& an Instructor Rating with approx 500hrs but no ATPL subjects
Well you could sit through PPL, CPL and ATPL classes and maybe get RPL for your flying after quite a few flight tests to confirm you have the skills jetstar desire. Or you could do you ATPLs and do the advanced. Having said all that. If you read PPRuNe, Plane Talking or talk to pilots in general, why would you apply for the Jetstar Cadetship atm?
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Curiosity is getting the better of me on this one..
Given they want to hire pilots with 100hr command, Does anyone know if there is a method for cadets to get ICUS time on this cadetship?
From the outside they appear to be looking for suckers that will effectively sign up for 6 years cheap labour as a junior fo with no intent to let them get enough command to qualify for an ATPL and therefore pay them squat all for the 6 years.
Certainly wouldn't surprise me if that is the plan
Given they want to hire pilots with 100hr command, Does anyone know if there is a method for cadets to get ICUS time on this cadetship?
From the outside they appear to be looking for suckers that will effectively sign up for 6 years cheap labour as a junior fo with no intent to let them get enough command to qualify for an ATPL and therefore pay them squat all for the 6 years.
Certainly wouldn't surprise me if that is the plan
