Rude ASIC inspectors
10% discount at most airport food outlets... 
Can I use it as a form of identification when I go clubbing or something so they know I'm over 18?
Ironically, despite all the documents we have to produce to prove ID and operational need, the ASIC itself is not a recognised form of ID for things like 100 point checks at banks etc.
Getting back to KALAVO's point, I would goto the Council or corporation that controls the airport and ask to see the plan for airside/landside boundaries. If you hangar is landside inspectors have the right to walk in but you are not required to display an ASIC.
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YPTJ thanks.....I thought the ASIC might be the highest form of recognized identification because of the security check. So really there's no use for it, apart from stopping you getting fined by airport officials.
Thanks anyway.
Thanks anyway.
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With regards to your comment about airside sign positioning on hangars, is there a reference in the transport security Act or Regs that reflects your comment or is it in TSP's?
With regards to your comment about airside sign positioning on hangars, is there a reference in the transport security Act or Regs that reflects your comment or is it in TSP's?
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Pilots
As a pilot the ASIC means jack****e,
Doesn't get you anything
Still have to go through all the rot to get to the aircraft,
Still get crapped on by security,
Still get treated like passengers
Still have to empty bag, pockets, bowels before getting 'airside', where everyone ends up anyway!!!!!
Passengers are ahead because they dont need to go thru the paperwork and expense to have the privelege of dragging this useless card around all the time, and now to get barked at because it is not at the right angle.
Doesn't get you anything
Still have to go through all the rot to get to the aircraft,
Still get crapped on by security,
Still get treated like passengers
Still have to empty bag, pockets, bowels before getting 'airside', where everyone ends up anyway!!!!!
Passengers are ahead because they dont need to go thru the paperwork and expense to have the privelege of dragging this useless card around all the time, and now to get barked at because it is not at the right angle.
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On the subject of "rude" ASIC inspectors, usually they will formally identify themselves and explain what they are doing.
Judging by the original post, these people did not identify themselves, which is poor form for any government official unless they are in a uniform that readily identifies their position.
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person can injure themselves in our workplace
with a sidchrome special?I had a dude ask to see my asic in Perth. I noticed he wasn't wearing one. My response? "Where's yours buddy?". Then walked off as he started looking through his pockets.
The message is security person/DOTARS or whoever you are:
1. I'm not in a government job so I don't have time to waste.
2. I work back of the clock so invest in some manners or you'll find I'm not nice back.
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caught the rude bug from CASA...
I had a CASA guy just breeze into my hangar, no name , no ID, didnt state his business or request entry. (all reqd CASA protocols) And common courtesy.
Started off asking about someone elses aircraft.
On confirming his CASA moniker I suggested he go fornicate with himself and be absent from the premises at the same time. Which he did.
About a week later I got a summons for "Threatening a Commonwealth officer"
... or should that read orrificer
When in court ... guess who didnt turn up. Yes .. the bully boy with no balls.. and no case to make either, but when you're a control freak you can waste the taxpayers time and money and cause a bit of angst.
Why..?? Because you can... and nothing better or more productive to do.
It really is time we told more of these plonkers to EFF OFF..!!
There are many other ASIC horror stories about.
We really are going down the National Socialism road to Naziism, as little by little our rights and liberties are eroded away.
The old US of A that had 9-11 looked to their GA industry to be part of the solution.
No here in convict land. Control freaks and bs empire building the go, and all those folk in GA are insulted as being seen as a threat, not an asset to help.
A 20 ton semi might bust a few more windows than an Auster.!
I think this country should be renamed Regulatastan.
And as you know, be very afraid of all those countries that end in 'stan'.
Started off asking about someone elses aircraft.
On confirming his CASA moniker I suggested he go fornicate with himself and be absent from the premises at the same time. Which he did.
About a week later I got a summons for "Threatening a Commonwealth officer"
... or should that read orrificer
When in court ... guess who didnt turn up. Yes .. the bully boy with no balls.. and no case to make either, but when you're a control freak you can waste the taxpayers time and money and cause a bit of angst.
Why..?? Because you can... and nothing better or more productive to do.
It really is time we told more of these plonkers to EFF OFF..!!
There are many other ASIC horror stories about.
We really are going down the National Socialism road to Naziism, as little by little our rights and liberties are eroded away.
The old US of A that had 9-11 looked to their GA industry to be part of the solution.
No here in convict land. Control freaks and bs empire building the go, and all those folk in GA are insulted as being seen as a threat, not an asset to help.
A 20 ton semi might bust a few more windows than an Auster.!
I think this country should be renamed Regulatastan.
And as you know, be very afraid of all those countries that end in 'stan'.
Blueyonda,
Whether the boundary is on the landside or airside doors of something like a hangar would be largely determined by the Security Risk Assessment (SRA) for that particular airport or facility. I would think it is covered in 3.15
Aviation Transport Security Regulations
3.15 Requirements for airside generally
(1) The requirements for the fencing of, and the provision of other
physical barriers to entry to, the airside area of a security
controlled airport are:
(a) subject to subregulation (2), a barrier sufficient to
delineate the airside area; and
(b) effective access control points to permit authorised access
to the airside area; and
(c) patrolling, electronic surveillance or any other suitable
measures to inspect the barriers for damage and to deter
and detect unauthorised access to the airside area; and
(d) if possible, illumination of the aircraft parking area while a
prescribed aircraft is parked there at night; and
(e) signs, each at least 0.4 m wide by 0.3 m high, and
otherwise complying with subregulation (4), and in the
number required by subregulation (5), fixed to the barrier;
and
(f) a sign at least 0.4 m wide by 0.3 m high, and otherwise
complying with subregulation (6), at every entrance to the
airside.
With regards to your comment about airside sign positioning on hangars, is there a reference in the transport security Act or Regs that reflects your comment or is it in TSP's?
Aviation Transport Security Regulations
3.15 Requirements for airside generally
(1) The requirements for the fencing of, and the provision of other
physical barriers to entry to, the airside area of a security
controlled airport are:
(a) subject to subregulation (2), a barrier sufficient to
delineate the airside area; and
(b) effective access control points to permit authorised access
to the airside area; and
(c) patrolling, electronic surveillance or any other suitable
measures to inspect the barriers for damage and to deter
and detect unauthorised access to the airside area; and
(d) if possible, illumination of the aircraft parking area while a
prescribed aircraft is parked there at night; and
(e) signs, each at least 0.4 m wide by 0.3 m high, and
otherwise complying with subregulation (4), and in the
number required by subregulation (5), fixed to the barrier;
and
(f) a sign at least 0.4 m wide by 0.3 m high, and otherwise
complying with subregulation (6), at every entrance to the
airside.
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YPJT - Thanks for that.
I don't know if some hangars are deemed not to be airside but if it was the case for some, my interpretation of 3.15 is the only barrier to airside would be the hangar doors including access doors in that barrier and not the landside access to the hangar (back of the hangar.)
However, I am not very good with this stuff.
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I don't know if some hangars are deemed not to be airside but if it was the case for some, my interpretation of 3.15 is the only barrier to airside would be the hangar doors including access doors in that barrier and not the landside access to the hangar (back of the hangar.)
However, I am not very good with this stuff.
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In The Weeds,
In the first editions of the regs, military personnel were not exempt except when crewing an aircraft. It was a bit of a stuff up which the dept fixed.
ATSR 3.06(2)
(2) Despite regulation 3.03, a member of a defence force to whom
this regulation applies need not display an ASIC in a secure
area if the member:
(a) is on duty and involved:
(i) in the operation of an aircraft; or
(ii) in supporting the operation of an aircraft; and
(b) is in uniform or other role appropriate clothing; and
(c) displays proper identification as a member of a defence
force.
Blueyonda,
I have seen both ie signs on the back door of the hangar and signs on the doors leading direct to airside. Again, all determined by individual risk assessment which then dictates the TSP. A hangar servicing RPT aircraft would obvioiusly be required to have more stringent protocols in place.
In the first editions of the regs, military personnel were not exempt except when crewing an aircraft. It was a bit of a stuff up which the dept fixed.
ATSR 3.06(2)
(2) Despite regulation 3.03, a member of a defence force to whom
this regulation applies need not display an ASIC in a secure
area if the member:
(a) is on duty and involved:
(i) in the operation of an aircraft; or
(ii) in supporting the operation of an aircraft; and
(b) is in uniform or other role appropriate clothing; and
(c) displays proper identification as a member of a defence
force.
Blueyonda,
I have seen both ie signs on the back door of the hangar and signs on the doors leading direct to airside. Again, all determined by individual risk assessment which then dictates the TSP. A hangar servicing RPT aircraft would obvioiusly be required to have more stringent protocols in place.
Some of the most self important (and at times dangerous) people in the world are the ones with the least amount of real power and/or actual practical usefulness in the world but who are given powers to harass and bully.
The ASIC is complete Sh1te. And obviously the huge cost of these things is what pays these muppets.
The ASIC is complete Sh1te. And obviously the huge cost of these things is what pays these muppets.
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There are also those elastic holders you wear on your arm...
Remember when I was out working from a station where the airstrip was used to push cattle from the one yard to the trucks - Casa in it's wisdom wanted it to have a 6ft fence with signage and everyone wearing asics because an abo air caravan termed rpt landed once a week with mail...
as far as the "drug bust" style goes... Sex&travel sounds like a good idea - nicely of course
Remember when I was out working from a station where the airstrip was used to push cattle from the one yard to the trucks - Casa in it's wisdom wanted it to have a 6ft fence with signage and everyone wearing asics because an abo air caravan termed rpt landed once a week with mail...
as far as the "drug bust" style goes... Sex&travel sounds like a good idea - nicely of course
Precisely what Commonwealth Government Department(s) employ "ASIC Inspectors"? Is it CASA? Do their "Investigators" (term loosely used), have that authority? Thanks.
And obviously the huge cost of these things is what pays these muppets
So the cost of an ASIC in no way goes to paying Transport Security Inspectors.
Remember when I was out working from a station where the airstrip was used to push cattle from the one yard to the trucks - Casa in it's wisdom wanted it to have a 6ft fence with signage and everyone wearing asics because an abo air caravan termed rpt landed once a week with mail...
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Before anyone gets over-excited and starts telling people to sod off, be aware that the big airports also employ contract security guards to check ASICs and the AFP/AUP will do it occasionally as well, if they get super bored.
Division 6.6 of the Aviation Transport Security Regs refers. It also requires said official to identify themselves.
YPJT, I'm sure there used to be a section in the regs that required any ASIC holder to challenge a person in a designated area if they weren't displaying an ASIC, has it disappeared or am I hallucinating legislation that never existed?
Division 6.6 of the Aviation Transport Security Regs refers. It also requires said official to identify themselves.
YPJT, I'm sure there used to be a section in the regs that required any ASIC holder to challenge a person in a designated area if they weren't displaying an ASIC, has it disappeared or am I hallucinating legislation that never existed?