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I've got OZRunways V2.0 on the iPad and iPhone, it works great and I hope you guys will enjoy using it as much as I do when it's released to the public shortly. If you're using the iPad be sure to grab the kneepad or a windscreen suction mount - same thing for the iPhone, a suction mount from DealExtreme or similar will do the job nicely.
Tip for when you use it at first; hook up to a good wireless access point and download all he maps straight off, then you won't have to rely on 3G, but you always can if you need to. It's not that you need all the maps straight off, it's just that everyone will want to start playing with it and zooming in all over the country.
Tip for when you use it at first; hook up to a good wireless access point and download all he maps straight off, then you won't have to rely on 3G, but you always can if you need to. It's not that you need all the maps straight off, it's just that everyone will want to start playing with it and zooming in all over the country.
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For 'cones of silence'
Try an external GPS e.g.
Bluetooth: Universal GPS Receiver - Sporty's Pilot Shop
or
Plugin: Bad Elf | Bad Elf GPS for iPod touch, iPhone, & iPad
Both work seamlessly with the iPhone/iPad/Ozrunways.
Bluetooth: Universal GPS Receiver - Sporty's Pilot Shop
or
Plugin: Bad Elf | Bad Elf GPS for iPod touch, iPhone, & iPad
Both work seamlessly with the iPhone/iPad/Ozrunways.
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Thanks Seamoss - they are great for those that only bought the WIFI version of the iPad as they don't have a GPS in them. Something to watch out for if you are buying an iPad.
We found yesterday that tethering the iphone 4 to the ipad2 only give gps updates at approx 1/minute, which is useless.
The tethering process is not all that stable either.
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The tethering process is not all that stable either.
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I believe you can connect a bluetooth GPS engine to the iPad. I got mine from Johnny Appleseed, but there are heaps on ebay and other places. I use the bluetooth GPS with the Motion LS800 it works well, but battery life takes a pretty big hit. Its not such a big issue with the Motion since you can warm swap batteries, but might be something to be wary of with the iPad - especially since they shut down when they get too hot.
Personally, I don't think that the iPad is a moving map solution. Its a wonderful chart reader. For IFR use the Jeppview software is really the only game in town and that requires a Windows device.
For VFR use, frankly I'd stick to a Garmin handheld.
Personally, I don't think that the iPad is a moving map solution. Its a wonderful chart reader. For IFR use the Jeppview software is really the only game in town and that requires a Windows device.
For VFR use, frankly I'd stick to a Garmin handheld.
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But Ozrunways is not an IFR solution
For VFR, I prefer my Garmin 495 handheld. Then you get all sorts of other bits like the synthetic instrument panel and the emergency functions.
Ozrunways is a really excellent ERSA replacement, but in my opinion its in no-mans land between Jeppview and a Garmin handheld.
For VFR, I prefer my Garmin 495 handheld. Then you get all sorts of other bits like the synthetic instrument panel and the emergency functions.
Ozrunways is a really excellent ERSA replacement, but in my opinion its in no-mans land between Jeppview and a Garmin handheld.
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Well, an ipad with the full suite of Rowans apps, maps and daps, plus say Champagne Flight planner and the Jepp View app because jepp plates are what you have in paper and you would have the lot.
All we need is for Champagne FP to be made into an App which Rob is thinking about doing soon.
I might have to join the dark side soon.......
All we need is for Champagne FP to be made into an App which Rob is thinking about doing soon.
I might have to join the dark side soon.......
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I've spent nearly a year dual running the paper & electronic subscription and have only this week given up on paper. It does take an adjustment.
And I think there is a strong argument for redundant systems. Although FTDK seems to take this to extreme.
For me its Jeppview on a tablet, Jepp charts on the iPad and trip plates on a kneeboard. I run CFP on the laptop (which also has Jeppview) and keep the outstanding NAIPS app on both the iphone and ipad as well as Ozrunway and Auswis.
Agree about flight planning software for the iPad, although printing from the ipad is difficult, which means that the laptop and HP H470 portable printer still has a place. Remote desktop on the iPad overcomes a lot of its shortcomings.
And I think there is a strong argument for redundant systems. Although FTDK seems to take this to extreme.
For me its Jeppview on a tablet, Jepp charts on the iPad and trip plates on a kneeboard. I run CFP on the laptop (which also has Jeppview) and keep the outstanding NAIPS app on both the iphone and ipad as well as Ozrunway and Auswis.
Agree about flight planning software for the iPad, although printing from the ipad is difficult, which means that the laptop and HP H470 portable printer still has a place. Remote desktop on the iPad overcomes a lot of its shortcomings.
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But Ozrunways is not an IFR solution
And even when they are, then it just becomes a personal preference between AsA and Jepp plates.
Ozrunways is a really excellent ERSA replacement, but in my opinion its in no-mans land between Jeppview and a Garmin handheld.
We have some development to do for multi-waypoint trips (currently only direct to) but that will be here before the year is out. And then we're taking it way beyond any handheld Garmin thanks to having an internet connection on board.
Just wait until you actually fly with OzRunways 2.0 before you make your judgement!
(You know how hard it is to please VH-XXX, so if he's impressed with the Beta versions we've been sending him...)
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(You know how hard it is to please VH-XXX, so if he's impressed with the Beta versions we've been sending him...)
Send me a copy to test, be another 50 hours in the next month on the RV as a minimum. Some of your Beta Testers hardly fly.....and one in a B777 does not count
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Part of my bias to the Jepp software is my bias toward Jepp and against ASA. So, Ozrunway is never likely to win me. As I see it the Jepp viewer fits as part of the Jeppview package and embodies a number of processes to check that the charts are up to date and I like the indexing of the various charts in Jepp better than Ozrunway and the charts seem to load faster.
As usual, CASA is a few steps behind. But I'm sure you know that Jepp charts in the iPad has been approved as sole reference for either 2 or 3 RPT operators in the states. My reading of CASA's position (repeated - MY reading) is that they are sitting on the fence a bit and their current attitude is that its up to the pilot to demonstrate that they have an adequate arrangement for electronic charts. My opinion (once again note MY opinion), is that Jeppview with the associated Jepp paperwork and amendment records together with the use of a dedicated tablet and a backup strategy satisfies this. I use the iPad as a more convenient chart reader in the cockpit, but once I'm on Jepp for the tablet, its going to be Jepp on the iPad.
As usual, CASA is a few steps behind. But I'm sure you know that Jepp charts in the iPad has been approved as sole reference for either 2 or 3 RPT operators in the states. My reading of CASA's position (repeated - MY reading) is that they are sitting on the fence a bit and their current attitude is that its up to the pilot to demonstrate that they have an adequate arrangement for electronic charts. My opinion (once again note MY opinion), is that Jeppview with the associated Jepp paperwork and amendment records together with the use of a dedicated tablet and a backup strategy satisfies this. I use the iPad as a more convenient chart reader in the cockpit, but once I'm on Jepp for the tablet, its going to be Jepp on the iPad.
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Akro Says: Ozrunways is a really excellent ERSA replacement, but in my opinion its in no-mans land between Jeppview and a Garmin handheld.
Jaba the hut says: Some of your Beta Testers hardly fly.....
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Akro: I guess the same is true for OzRunways; if you have the DAP book handy for if the pad fails, why not use the iPad?
One of the changes we have in 2.0 is the quick select bar which sits at the top of the plate reader. (you can hide it too) You can load up 5 charts and switch between them with one touch. So get your STAR, approaches, apron chart and ERSA pre loaded before you get to your destination.
Of course we are always eager to hear from users how we could do things better!
Did you pre-download all the plates? (in the config menu) if you do that, plates load almost instantly. (less than a second on iPad 1, much faster on 2)
One of the changes we have in 2.0 is the quick select bar which sits at the top of the plate reader. (you can hide it too) You can load up 5 charts and switch between them with one touch. So get your STAR, approaches, apron chart and ERSA pre loaded before you get to your destination.
Of course we are always eager to hear from users how we could do things better!
Did you pre-download all the plates? (in the config menu) if you do that, plates load almost instantly. (less than a second on iPad 1, much faster on 2)
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Small pics but you get the idea.... the new OzRunways is a far cry from the original version with no maps. It's quite suitable even for a use on the iPhone. When using the the iPhone I'd compare screen size to the Garmin GPS map 96c. The iPad size is more like a Garmin 695.
