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Old 13th Apr 2011, 01:40
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Why would Air NZ need 5 training organisations if they are only taking 4 cadets?
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 01:47
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Why would Air NZ need 5 training organisations if they are only taking 4 cadets?
My understanding from people who have been asked to submit their interest in being one of the providers was that Air NZ were going to be touting this school internationally, to train pilots for other operators as well and bring in students from overseas. Sure there will be NZ cadets as well.

What I cannot figure is why Air NZ needs to get involved in this sort of thing to start with. There seems to be quite a bit of infrastrutcure on their part.

What's in it for them?
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Old 13th Apr 2011, 02:06
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Could it be similiar to how the air force guys operate at the moment with Air Nelson. The RNZAF pays their salary and their training costs in exchange for their guys getting experience on line. Air NZ gets cheap (free) labour.

Imagine an overseas operator approaching Air NZ and asking them to train and give experience to their new pilots. A year of multi crew experience whilst gaining extra sim experiece as well then back home to start on line. It would be a great OE for some young fella/ess, cheap (free) labour for Air NZ and a big FU to the Links
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University signs partnership with Air New Zealand - Massey University

Others are: Air Hawkes Bay, Nelson Aviation College, Canterbury Aero Club (IAANZ), Southern Wings....
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Old 20th Apr 2011, 22:33
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Just had a look at the Air NZ site, looks like more information will come out in the following days with respect to the courses etc.
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Old 27th Apr 2011, 10:09
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This is NOT a cadetship but more of a streamlining of selection and training for Air NZ. Applicants for the program are selected before they start then go through with CPL/MEIR in the normal fashion - not much changing there. From there the worthy will then go on to do an airline integration course, this is NOT time in the cockpit or anything like that, its about learning SOPs and ground work.

The Pilot will then go out and build 2000 hours or whatever they require and when they day comes for them to apply for air nz (or other involved airlines) then their CV will go to the top of the pile as they will be recognised as top pilots already familiarised with an airline environment.

There may be some differences to what I have talked about there but on the whole that is what Ive been told is happening and my source is about as credible as they come
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 02:15
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From the comments above, it seems that this scheme is not designed to provide pilots for Air NZ. If successful graduates then fly around in the weeds building up hours pror to getting into one of the ANZ bits, then whats in it for Air NZ? My guess is that this is just a mechanism to put more hours on the Air NZ sims in Auckland. Any training organization with access to jet sims was therefore never going to get a look in as a trainer.
Cynical check: complete.
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 06:55
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Not sure how this goverment loan changes will effect this?? Hardly any people will have $30,000 lying around to fund their CPL. This concept might be sinking before it even starts
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 04:02
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Pilots prior to the student loan managed to all self fund their pilot training!
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 04:45
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$30,000???

And the rest!
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 06:39
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Jimmy, would you care to elaborate about your comment of:

their pilot ranks are comprised of a bunch of fraudsters with bogus qualifications
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 07:47
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Is there not a suitable pool of applicants with an excess of 3000hrs???

How are cadets going to get in if they don't have a degree
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Never suggested studen loans were the only way to go, but the number of students going through the system will reduce dramatically(obviously not a bad thing for most of us). Maybe 5 training organisations is a few too many..

@Split Flap. The student loans are still covering dual flying. Solo flying only needs to be self funded.

@jimmyconway. Lie down before you have a heart attack. Don't need to hear the "it was so hard in my day speech". I achieved mine without a student loan.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 08:30
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Not sure how this goverment loan changes will effect this??
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I'll tell you. It will bring the supply of brand new CPL's back down to somewhere closer to where it should be.

The loan system created an artificial oversupply from students with easy access to cash. There are some training establishments that focused on that market to the detriment of the long term viability of other operators and the students themselves. A good many of whom now have a large debt and are no longer in the industry because the promises of jobs and riches simply are not true.
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