spin, stall & first solo scary?

[M14_P]

Fork,
I have a rating (bugger all time) in them, they go like buses, handle like vans, but they are gorgeous come on.

[Nadzab]

spin, stall & first solo scary?

Only if they all occur during the same flight

then you know that you probably need more lessons.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Hey Mr 'M14',

Reur 'no wonder so many crashed'......How many do you reckon..??

I am very well aware of Dear A K and the coin jamming the stick...A K was one of my instructors waaay back when....

How many others do you reckon..??

I am genuinely interested as I learned in Chippys - never had that problem - AS I am still here to prove it - and as 'life' would have it, have just bought one....

Like I said - genuinely interested....

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Mr '101,....

If / when you get the chance, ask Bill to take you up and show you how.

But as has been said - do NOT do all 3 of your 'things to do' on the same flight! Your Mum will NOT be impressed!!

Its a bit like your first nookie I reckon.....a little apprehensive at first - but then - WOW! And you'll be back for more.....

Sorry to youse 'more purer than me' types.....

But, then I just call it like it is!!

Apart from that - Wot Mr Abraham said!!!

Cheers

[Runaway Gun]

SPL-101, don't be too worried about this. You're only concerned about this because it's all a bit of an 'unknown'. You don't really understand the technicalities behind stalling and spinning, nor do you know how you'll feel during such exercises. It's natural that you may feel a bit apprehensive (and excited).

Just do sufficient pre-flight study for all of your lessons, and ask your instructor relevant questions before the flight, during the brief.

Sickness doesn't affect too many people - and if it does it tends to go away after a few flights.

Remember: Knowledge dispels Fear.

[Slasher]

The thought of me doing spins and stalls and flying by myself is really getting to me

Yeh me too - a real hankering. I need to get out of these
bloody idiotic Airbuses and just do some REAL flying for a
change. Would do me the world of good!

I learnt to fly in a DH82 where spins, stalls and some aeros
were part and parcel of the Tiger endorsement. Great gobs
of fun, especially loops.

Enjoy yer solo mate, but once your PPL'd don't make the
mistake of aeroing your CPL training money away like I
did. Put me 6 months behind my training schedule and
heaps of extra pizza deliverys.

[Dangnammit]

I did spinning in the right hand seat as part of FIR training in an aerobat. I think learning how to recover the wing dropped stall is enough up to that point. I say that because we we didn't have a spin approved aircraft in the fleet and if we did, perhaps I would have learnt it earlier.
I was pretty nervous going up after looking at youtube and reading about it. After the first demo, I started nailing them perfectly (re: power settings etc.) on the 3rd go because the information & sensation overload goes away. Everybody is different, one guy came back a little worse for wear but I absolutely loved it.

You must take each lesson as it comes and you'll find clean, power off stalls a non event (before first solo).

RGun is spot on- knowledge dispels fear.

[Nulli Secundus]

However now that Im so close to it, Ive started to get butterflys.

"Nothing wrong with butterflies, we simply have to teach them to fly in formation" - Katherine Hepburn

You'll be fine!

Good Luck

[bushy]

Spin training is essential

I remember, when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, I had been training with the gliding club, doing five minute flights with winch tows. Progress was too slow so I went to the aero club and soloed in their brand new Piper cub. I was the ace of the base. I knew it.
A group of us bought a Slingsby tutor, single seat glider. Soon I got to fly that on an aero tow behind a tiger. I found found lift, but it soon died so I turned back to find it again. Soon tthe nose was pointed to the ground and I could see a fence going round and around in the windscreen. I pulled the stick right back into the corner and put on opposite rudder. The stick did not work, but the rudder did. Soon, despite my efforts it righted itself and I sat there wondering what had happened. I had read about such things. Soon I found more lift and repeated the same process. The rotten thing spun again. I still had plenty of height, but had had enough, so went back and landed. So spin training was obviously needed. I went straight to the aero club and Paul the instructor greeted me by saying "I hear you went for a spin in the tutor" I was not amused,but managed to persuade him to pull a tiger moth out of the hangar and take me for some spin recovery training.
And I was never ever again the ace of the base. I learned a lot that day.

And I see many accident reports that show pilots died after accidentally spinning their aeroplanes at low level. Small and big aeroplanes do it. Airline and military and light aircraft pilots do it.
One of the most important things I read was in a Beechcraft manual. They pointed out that many, many accidents are caused by inadvertent stalls and spins. They advised pilots to never stall or spin their eroplane. Sound advice, but to avoid stalls and spins you need training in both.

[SPL-101]

Hey Guys

Thanks for all the advice you have given, it has really helped. Since Ive joined this forum, everything has become so much clearer from reading the older posts of other guys. Im really looking forward to the training and can't wait, every minute im on the comp I just watch videos of other peoples training. Thanks again everyone.

Happy Landings

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

G'Day '101',

Don't worry too much about the IMPRESSIONS gained by watching other peoples videos.....

Sometimes when watching Hollywood produced car chases for example, when the vision is shot from within the vehicle, you get the false impression that the car is about to roll....

However, when YOU drive YOUR car, you know that is NOT the case...because YOU are in control and you gain a different impression.

No different to watching a video of a steep landing approach - you may get the impression that you are about to 'spear in'...however, you know that as you round out , this all changes...

Go and listen to your instructor, and most of all, enjoy....

Cheers

[SPL-101]

Ex FSO GRIFFO

Thanks for the advice. You are completely right about the videos. However I only watch them for entertainment purposes and not to see if I can pick up some techniques. Ill leave that part up to my instructor. Thanks again.

Take Care

[Fliegenmong]

I do very clearly remember my first lessons in stall / spin recovery, an image indelibly in my consciousness...

Having done a heap with RC models and spent the week prior studying the basic aerodynamics of it all...I understood it...I was still apprehensive about going out to actually do it....my ex (Airline DC-9 / 727 Check captain, instructor) with God knows how many hours experience was the same, that just nailed home how much this was not to be trifled with.....

That image indelibly branded into my consciousness?? We were flying an AustFlight Drifter A582,

JetPhotos.Net Aviation Photos-Aircraft Search: Austflight Drifter A-582

Now seeing the Earth rotate, whilst slung against the shoulder straps looking over the top of the plexi-glass windscreen, realising if it weren't for the shoulder straps you may well be free falling looking back up at the aircraft spinning from a different perspective was very much attention grabbing..........without flaps we used to fly these things into marginal strips slide slipping.....crossed controls......I know I know......(Of course we'd add 5-10kt as a safety margin the Pitot was on one side so healthy disrespect of the ASI was de rigueur , it all became an inate sense of 'feel'....or...'touch'...still some of the best damn fun I've ever had with my clothes on ...

Twas a lovely stick and rudder aircraft that A582, taught you all about adverse yaw and other such intricacies and set you up in tail dragger aircraft straight off....years later I amused myself with a glider course...instructor was ever so impressed with how I could 'dance the pedals' once on the ground.....tail dragger experience you see.....certain aircraft demand that those 'foot rests' be 'engaged'..............

Stall the wing and initiate an auto-rotation (Spin) is a neat little trick....but not one to **** up........Plan it, mentally prepare it, go over it again, ensure the CofG is not Aft, and ENJOY! Personally my greatest enjoyment is not entering auto-rotation, but the clean and precise exit from it........

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Interesting post given that, the way I read it, deliberate spins are prohibited in the Austflight Drifter A-582!

Dr

[Fliegenmong]

My apologies fork, we did not 'lock in', rather it was incipient spin training, and the instinctive recovery action, not at all unlike a stall and the instinctive recovery action.....................it taught me not to stall, if I did stall, I would not spin, but IF I did stall and spin higher up I could recover...hell I could do it for amusement...but I was not ever ever going to Stall/spin on approach, a very healthy appreciation of it I had........

This was back about 92-93 I think..........

[M14_P]

Slasher, come on, you only live once, it is far too much fun, to be boring and fly with the sky on top.

I don't know a staggering amount, but have heard stories from the RAF days of operating the DHC1, where there were alot of accidents were pilots spun in. Fairly quickly.
When I came back from my first flight in one I couldn't work it out, to get out of a spin you must stop the rotation then unstall the wings, but in this instance, unstalling the wings helped both stop rotation and get out of the manoeuvre. In everything else I have spun (probably a dozen types) this was the only machine where the technique is different.
They are the nicest handling aeroplane I have ever flown though, anyone else agree?

[M14_P]

Spins and stalling, no big deal, keep it straight and watch your airspeed! A plane cannot spin if it is flying in balance!!

[Tee Emm]

Over West Sale at 8000 ft in a Wirraway. CFS instructor in the front seat acting as student (former Spitfire pilot during war over Europe). I was a trainee instructor on Instructors Course.

CFS bloke takes control and says assume he is student and I have just demo'd a spin. He will be Bloggs. He pulls the Wirra up high and kicks on full rudder. It spins and spins and spins. I say that is good Bloggs - now recover, please.
Bloggs keeps on spinning. I say sternly "RECOVER BLOGGS"
"Sorry Sir" says Bloggs in falsetto voice," but I don't know what to do next".

"Taking over Blogs" sez kindly 23 year old trainee instructor in back seat of Wirra where I can see bugger all.

Controls jammed in full pro-spin positions and Wirra has by now really wound up and West Sale aerodrome is rapidly growing bigger like my eyes under the goggles.

"LET GO OF THE CONTROLS, BLOGGS!!" "Can't sir, I have frozen on 'em"

Having done about ten turns the time had come for action even though I knew the instructor was having a lend of me. But he was a RAF Flight Lieutenant and I a lowly Sergeant in the back seat.

"I HAVE CONTROL BLOGGS"
but the bugger wouldn't release the controls
This idiot is nuts I thought and now getting seriously concerned and wondering when is the time for me to leap out and use my parachute.

"BLOGGS (Sir) YOU BLOODY IDIOT (Sir) - LET GO OF THE CONTROLS" I roared over the intercom.

Immediately the controls became free and I recovered around 2000 ft. From the front cockpit came the friendly advice of "That's the way Sergeant - don't be afraid to swear loudly to the student rather than a polite calm approach -especially if he has frozen on the controls in a spin"

Lesson learned the hard way although fortunately I had never had to use his advice.

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

"BLOGGS (Sir) YOU BLOODY IDIOT (Sir) - LET GO OF THE CONTROLS" I roared over the intercom.

In a side-by-side aircraft, a good whack with the fire extinguisher will have the same effect!

Dr

[Brian Abraham]

They are the nicest handling aeroplane I have ever flown though, anyone else agree?

There are those who should know who say it handles just like a Spitfire. Wish I could find out if they're right!!!