Plane missing in north Queensland on way to Horn Island
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when you guys hear that POB is not advised, in this cases is because they are professionals and they are not releasing information.
I knew the guy, we worked together, please, some of you is saying non sense,
just have respect for a guy that more likely lost is life and think about if was one of your friends or relatives.
I appreciate the good feeling that many have showed on their posts.
Please guys don't start a polemic of who's fault is this, is too early and the pain is too fresh.
I knew the guy, we worked together, please, some of you is saying non sense,
just have respect for a guy that more likely lost is life and think about if was one of your friends or relatives.
I appreciate the good feeling that many have showed on their posts.
Please guys don't start a polemic of who's fault is this, is too early and the pain is too fresh.
Maybe it's about time some operators looked at investing in the satellite tracking software that's on the market these days. It's relatively in expensive and given that it can give up to date position information on any computer/s in the world.
I've seen it in action in very remote areas, and if anything it gives the operator an up to date sitrep of the aircraft's location and tracking information.
Sad thing is that this isn't the first Commander that has crashed in the Horn Island area.
I've seen it in action in very remote areas, and if anything it gives the operator an up to date sitrep of the aircraft's location and tracking information.
Sad thing is that this isn't the first Commander that has crashed in the Horn Island area.
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Well said avtur and aussietomcat
Griffo are you seriously going to believe anything that comes from the media at this early stage. Am surprised by how foolish your posts are. From the beginning the people that needed to know, knew exactly how many pob they were looking for. Amity is a small company, I can guarantee you that every aircraft movement is closely monitored and tracked.
Hoping to have an ale with the pilot at the end of all this but as time ticks on the reality of this happeneing is not looking all that good. Hang in there mate.
Griffo are you seriously going to believe anything that comes from the media at this early stage. Am surprised by how foolish your posts are. From the beginning the people that needed to know, knew exactly how many pob they were looking for. Amity is a small company, I can guarantee you that every aircraft movement is closely monitored and tracked.
Hoping to have an ale with the pilot at the end of all this but as time ticks on the reality of this happeneing is not looking all that good. Hang in there mate.
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Over 48 hrs gone since his disappearance... he disappears right after a radio call, 15 mins prior to landing at Horn Island... no mayday... no wreckage, apart from a liferaft reported as being sighted... 13 aircraft looking for him...?
This sounds very much like a catastrophic failure, and a dive, relatively intact, in the sea. I don't understand how the wreckage hasn't been found by now... unless he was hopelessly off course... ?
This sounds very much like a catastrophic failure, and a dive, relatively intact, in the sea. I don't understand how the wreckage hasn't been found by now... unless he was hopelessly off course... ?
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Sorry, I knew the time when he went missing, I meant to type 24 hrs, but the old sleep-deprived brain came out with 48.
What is it about aerocommanders, that there's a surprising number that have lost wings outboard of the engine nacelles, or just vanished into the sea/jungle, with consequent inability to determine the reason for the loss?
Do they catch out young pilots with pitch trim malfunctions when the auto-pilot is engaged? Or are the wing spars still just plain susceptible to failure?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...400610_001.pdf
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/pape...ocommander.pdf
What is it about aerocommanders, that there's a surprising number that have lost wings outboard of the engine nacelles, or just vanished into the sea/jungle, with consequent inability to determine the reason for the loss?
Do they catch out young pilots with pitch trim malfunctions when the auto-pilot is engaged? Or are the wing spars still just plain susceptible to failure?
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...400610_001.pdf
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/pape...ocommander.pdf
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I have been wondering if its another runaway trim like the Tasair a few years ago. TOD and push of the trim and 
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Of course some folk here will just say stop speculating......but hey, tell me you have not wondered the same thing already.
.Of course some folk here will just say stop speculating......but hey, tell me you have not wondered the same thing already.
Thankyou Mr Avtur, New info is always welcome.
One can only comment on the info that is avbl.
The original info avbl AT THE TIME was that the POB was 'unknown'....
Your post is appreciated.
Mr 'MG' , thankyou for your comment.
I can assure you that after 26 yrs experience in related matters, I am not suprised at anything anymore.....and, IF as reported, the facts were AS reported, the I do not resile from my comment.
A VERY WISE old SAR man once told me that 'they are all very nice fellows and excellent pilots - until we have to start looking for them - and we discover that usually, they are 'human' after all, and some horrible mistakes are made, usually under pressure.....
As I stated earlier, very sad.
One can only comment on the info that is avbl.
The original info avbl AT THE TIME was that the POB was 'unknown'....
Your post is appreciated.
Mr 'MG' , thankyou for your comment.
I can assure you that after 26 yrs experience in related matters, I am not suprised at anything anymore.....and, IF as reported, the facts were AS reported, the I do not resile from my comment.
A VERY WISE old SAR man once told me that 'they are all very nice fellows and excellent pilots - until we have to start looking for them - and we discover that usually, they are 'human' after all, and some horrible mistakes are made, usually under pressure.....
As I stated earlier, very sad.
Of course some folk here will just say stop speculating......but hey, tell me you have not wondered the same thing already
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locator beacons
Has the change from "Hard wired"121.5 beacons to 406 hand helds in most light aircraft contributed to not finding this aircraft?
I would presume the last thing you would be thinking of that close to the earths surface would be getting the 406 beacon from behind a seat, jammed in a seat pocket and activating it.
Should the 406 beacons be hard wired like the old 121.5????
I would presume the last thing you would be thinking of that close to the earths surface would be getting the 406 beacon from behind a seat, jammed in a seat pocket and activating it.
Should the 406 beacons be hard wired like the old 121.5????
Re my last comments about Aero Commanders, I don't believe there is anything inherently wrong with the machines if they have been maintained correctly. All the accidents that I can recall that have occured with them have been due to pilot error, which comes back to pilot training and experience.
Let's just hope that we all can learn something from this incident, there is still hope one would like to think.
Was the aircraft involved ever one of GAMs in particular VH-YJP in a previous life ?
Let's just hope that we all can learn something from this incident, there is still hope one would like to think.
Was the aircraft involved ever one of GAMs in particular VH-YJP in a previous life ?
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not sure on the history of WZU i'm pretty sure it's an ex aero tropics shrike.
the rego YJP is now for a 690A, can't seem to find any more info further back
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found this link in a casa change of mark form;
"WZU","AEROCMDR","500-S","3060","1/12/2001","YJP","LIP-AIR PTY. LIMITED T/A AERO-TROPICS","PO BOX 147N","","CAIRNS NORTH","QLD","4870","","","","","","","",""
original file,
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/asp/ca...ates/Cmark.csv
the rego YJP is now for a 690A, can't seem to find any more info further back
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found this link in a casa change of mark form;
"WZU","AEROCMDR","500-S","3060","1/12/2001","YJP","LIP-AIR PTY. LIMITED T/A AERO-TROPICS","PO BOX 147N","","CAIRNS NORTH","QLD","4870","","","","","","","",""
original file,
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/asp/ca...ates/Cmark.csv
Last edited by equal; 25th Feb 2011 at 20:37. Reason: more info
ATSB Investigation Number:AO-2011-033
Investigation: AO-2011-033 - Missing aircraft - Aero Commander 500S, VH-WZU, near Horn Island, Queensland, 24 February 2011
After evaluating preliminary information, the ATSB will send two investigators from Brisbane to Cairns to collect further information.
Cape York air crash mystery: 15 missing minutes- Local Cairns News | cairns.com.au
Extract
"The experienced pilot was believed to have been flying on a regular "cray run" to pick up and deliver a cargo of fresh crayfish for export to Asia.
He was flying an Aero Commander twin-engine light plane registered to Flightech Pty Ltd, a Cairns company run by members of the Lippmann family who previously owned the now defunct Aero-Tropics Air Services, the company at the centre of the Lockhart River disaster that killed 15 in 2005.
Ten rescue helicopters and eight fixed-wing aircraft scoured sites between Cape York and Moa Island from 5am yesterday, with particular focus around the Horn Island area.Extra teams of emergency service volunteers and police boats also joined the search by combing through thick rainforest and mangroves."
Summary - We hope for a miracle
After evaluating preliminary information, the ATSB will send two investigators from Brisbane to Cairns to collect further information.
Cape York air crash mystery: 15 missing minutes- Local Cairns News | cairns.com.au
Extract
"The experienced pilot was believed to have been flying on a regular "cray run" to pick up and deliver a cargo of fresh crayfish for export to Asia.
He was flying an Aero Commander twin-engine light plane registered to Flightech Pty Ltd, a Cairns company run by members of the Lippmann family who previously owned the now defunct Aero-Tropics Air Services, the company at the centre of the Lockhart River disaster that killed 15 in 2005.
Ten rescue helicopters and eight fixed-wing aircraft scoured sites between Cape York and Moa Island from 5am yesterday, with particular focus around the Horn Island area.Extra teams of emergency service volunteers and police boats also joined the search by combing through thick rainforest and mangroves."
Summary - We hope for a miracle
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I do not know whether the pilot was IFR or VFR, however in the past, the cray runs have been mainly VFR. Which brings the question of VFR into IMC or pushing a bad situation to stay visual.
I believe airservices need to remove the charge for IFR plans. There are so many operators that push their pilots to fly VFR when the wx is sh** to save $$$ (one big operator on Horn springs to mind)... In the past, there have been so many near midairs in the area with VFR pilots in cloud not being passed on as traffic.
As for the possibility of the wings clapping - these are old machines, and who knows what kind of stress they have endured over their lifetimes with many pilots replicating Bob Hoover manouvres. An old fatigued wing spar may not survive the inside of a thunderstorm.
Anyway my thoughts go out to the guys on Horn and those that knew the pilot. Good luck with the search.
I believe airservices need to remove the charge for IFR plans. There are so many operators that push their pilots to fly VFR when the wx is sh** to save $$$ (one big operator on Horn springs to mind)... In the past, there have been so many near midairs in the area with VFR pilots in cloud not being passed on as traffic.
As for the possibility of the wings clapping - these are old machines, and who knows what kind of stress they have endured over their lifetimes with many pilots replicating Bob Hoover manouvres. An old fatigued wing spar may not survive the inside of a thunderstorm.
Anyway my thoughts go out to the guys on Horn and those that knew the pilot. Good luck with the search.