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Ya reckon the government is always squeeky clean?
Ya reckon the government is always squeeky clean?
Oh please give me a break. If you actually believe Wikipedia is a reliable source for information then you are more gullible than I thought. 
By the way the draft plans of Operation Northwoods were rejected by the US government. Military planners (which aren’t the government if you can’t see the difference) not just in the US but all over the world plan for various military scenarios all the time. This doesn’t make such plans conspiracy theories, even if some of them are outrageous to the majority of the population.
By the way the draft plans of Operation Northwoods were rejected by the US government. Military planners (which aren’t the government if you can’t see the difference) not just in the US but all over the world plan for various military scenarios all the time. This doesn’t make such plans conspiracy theories, even if some of them are outrageous to the majority of the population.
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Read 'The Report From Iron Mountain' and it's link with the very astute Robert McNamara. It was a real repprt in the 60's, not a hoax, and even back then the government was planning ways to control the masses through subltle means like taxes and even, yes, carbon taxes !
Human beings have been fooled for centuries by creative accountants and politicians. Nothing is by accident. The majority of mankind feels as if their balls are in a vice - exactly what the government wants, full control and total opression. We are living proof.....
Human beings have been fooled for centuries by creative accountants and politicians. Nothing is by accident. The majority of mankind feels as if their balls are in a vice - exactly what the government wants, full control and total opression. We are living proof.....
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You crack me up. Wiki is just one of many sources carrying the information. Northwoods was VERY real. Shall I provide links from more "traditional" news services for you?
The Kennedy administration considered the plan but declined to implement Northwoods despite the joint chiefs and the NSA signing off on the project. Some have suggested that the Kennedy’s only refused the advice of the joint chiefs as a result of the deceiving information provided to them during the Bay of Pigs fiasco. At the very least, Northwoods hints at what could unfold.
“Military planners ……..plan for various military scenarios all the time.”
True, but concocting Northwoods and lobbying POTUS to implement such a plan is very different from strategic gaming.
“Military planners (which aren’t the government if you can’t see the difference) not just in the US but all over the world plan for various military scenarios all the time.”
You need to do some study as to how the “Government” works, especially in the US. Have you heard of the Defense Policy Board? Do you know how much power they wield? They are not part of the Government and yet have been instrumental in swaying 2 Administrations into commencing conflict in the past decade.
You crack me up. Wiki is just one of many sources carrying the information. Northwoods was VERY real. Shall I provide links from more "traditional" news services for you?
The Kennedy administration considered the plan but declined to implement Northwoods despite the joint chiefs and the NSA signing off on the project. Some have suggested that the Kennedy’s only refused the advice of the joint chiefs as a result of the deceiving information provided to them during the Bay of Pigs fiasco. At the very least, Northwoods hints at what could unfold.
“Military planners ……..plan for various military scenarios all the time.”
True, but concocting Northwoods and lobbying POTUS to implement such a plan is very different from strategic gaming.
“Military planners (which aren’t the government if you can’t see the difference) not just in the US but all over the world plan for various military scenarios all the time.”
You need to do some study as to how the “Government” works, especially in the US. Have you heard of the Defense Policy Board? Do you know how much power they wield? They are not part of the Government and yet have been instrumental in swaying 2 Administrations into commencing conflict in the past decade.
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I guess you are one of the 49.3% of dumb a*s Americans that believe in conspiracy theories. You have a very fertile imagination numb nuts. Go ahead and post links to all the blogs you like. They are all just part of the 49.3% of the idiots that believe that tripe. They produce 0% of credible evidence that would stand up in any court of law.
Regarding Wikipedia, the day that anyone like you and me can’t go into it and just change the content to suit our argument will be the day that I believe what I read there. It isn’t and never has been a reliable source of information.
So what if some military planners lobbied the president. They were also lobbying the President to invade the USSR for 60 years of the cold war and are probably lobbying him to invader China and half a dozen Middle Eastern countries as I write this post. It doesn’t make it government policy and the idea was scuttled by the US President i.e. the government at the time. Military planners in Australia had plans to neutralise the Indonesian military and government when relations with them went sour in the 70’s-80’s. Does that make it Australian government policy at the time? No.
For some of you to get on here and peddle as the truth that the US government instigated 911 and the Howard government did the same in Bali in 2002 makes me sick. As Pen said in the video I posted, “It’s one thing to say that man didn’t land on the moon but it takes a special class of a*sh*le to peddle this b*llSh*t. You quite clearly fall into the latter class of a*sh*le.
By the way you mention “Defence Policy Board” and how they were instrumental in steering US foreign policy over the last ten years. It is one thing to convince a US administration to invade Iraq and Afghanistan to over through regimes that were despised but it’s completely another thing to convince any US administration to commit genocide on its own people.
I guess you are one of the 49.3% of dumb a*s Americans that believe in conspiracy theories. You have a very fertile imagination numb nuts. Go ahead and post links to all the blogs you like. They are all just part of the 49.3% of the idiots that believe that tripe. They produce 0% of credible evidence that would stand up in any court of law.
Regarding Wikipedia, the day that anyone like you and me can’t go into it and just change the content to suit our argument will be the day that I believe what I read there. It isn’t and never has been a reliable source of information.
So what if some military planners lobbied the president. They were also lobbying the President to invade the USSR for 60 years of the cold war and are probably lobbying him to invader China and half a dozen Middle Eastern countries as I write this post. It doesn’t make it government policy and the idea was scuttled by the US President i.e. the government at the time. Military planners in Australia had plans to neutralise the Indonesian military and government when relations with them went sour in the 70’s-80’s. Does that make it Australian government policy at the time? No.
For some of you to get on here and peddle as the truth that the US government instigated 911 and the Howard government did the same in Bali in 2002 makes me sick. As Pen said in the video I posted, “It’s one thing to say that man didn’t land on the moon but it takes a special class of a*sh*le to peddle this b*llSh*t. You quite clearly fall into the latter class of a*sh*le.
By the way you mention “Defence Policy Board” and how they were instrumental in steering US foreign policy over the last ten years. It is one thing to convince a US administration to invade Iraq and Afghanistan to over through regimes that were despised but it’s completely another thing to convince any US administration to commit genocide on its own people.
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I’m obviously a deeper thinker than you numb nuts. You too are a member of that 49.3% of dumb a*ses that believes in conspiracy theories. To actually believe the US and AUS governments committed genocide on their own people puts you in that special class of as*h*le. I bet you are also a member of the “Birtha” movement, i.e. those idiots that believe Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia rather than Hawaii.
I’m obviously a deeper thinker than you numb nuts. You too are a member of that 49.3% of dumb a*ses that believes in conspiracy theories. To actually believe the US and AUS governments committed genocide on their own people puts you in that special class of as*h*le. I bet you are also a member of the “Birtha” movement, i.e. those idiots that believe Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia rather than Hawaii.
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404 really........Penn and Teller? That’s what you present as “credible evidence” and you call us idiots.
Here are some more videos for you to get worked up over.
The first one, ‘Fair Game’ although a HollyWood production (so should sit well with you) is based on true events showing that there were no WMDs found in IRAQ
The second, opens another can of worms. I find what is stated at 4:27 quite interesting.
Happy debunking
404 really........Penn and Teller? That’s what you present as “credible evidence” and you call us idiots.
Here are some more videos for you to get worked up over.
The first one, ‘Fair Game’ although a HollyWood production (so should sit well with you) is based on true events showing that there were no WMDs found in IRAQ
The second, opens another can of worms. I find what is stated at 4:27 quite interesting.
Happy debunking
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And you produce a Hollywood movie and a Japanese enquiry into insider trading. Pen & Teller may not be scientific but at least they have a functioning BS detector. I find it amazing that all those who object to my point of view have US or Central American domiciles. Funny that.
I think it is on record from the Australian weapons inspector Richard Butler that Iraq didn’t have WMD in the early to mid 90’s. You don’t need to produce a hyped up Hollywood movie to tell me something I already know.
As for the Japanese investigation into insider trading prior to 911, what is your point? Are you saying the US government knew about or was responsible for the insider trading? The video doesn’t say that. For all we know (and we don’t), it was probably al-Qaeda, after all they had inside information that something was going to happen on the 9th Sept 2001.
You haven’t produced one shred of evidence that proved the US or Australia committed genocide on its own people. The reality is you can’t because it is a BS conspiracy theory created by nupties with a deranged imagination like yourself.
Penn and Teller? That’s what you present as “credible evidence” and you call us idiots.
The first one, ‘Fair Game’ although a HollyWood production (so should sit well with you) is based on true events showing that there were no WMDs found in IRAQ
As for the Japanese investigation into insider trading prior to 911, what is your point? Are you saying the US government knew about or was responsible for the insider trading? The video doesn’t say that. For all we know (and we don’t), it was probably al-Qaeda, after all they had inside information that something was going to happen on the 9th Sept 2001.
You haven’t produced one shred of evidence that proved the US or Australia committed genocide on its own people. The reality is you can’t because it is a BS conspiracy theory created by nupties with a deranged imagination like yourself.
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I've found a great video that may help you
Seriously though, if you have the time have look at this one (and from start to finish unlike the other ones I suspect). You may even change your mind.
I've found a great video that may help you
Seriously though, if you have the time have look at this one (and from start to finish unlike the other ones I suspect). You may even change your mind.
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Before this thread goes to jetblast
Fyfe "happy" for fuel prices to rise
1/04/2011 8:32:00
A rather surprising statement from the boss of Air New Zealand. Rob Fyfe does not care if the cost of aviation fuel rises to even greater heights.At the moment it's around $115 a barrel - other airlines say if it gets to $150, that will become painful.
However Rob Fyfe told CNN's Richard Quest that high fuel prices will clean some of the cut-price airlines out of the industry. "I'd actually be happy with fuel at 150 , I'd be happy with fuel at $200. We are actually an incredibly robust airline, we've got a very strong balance sheet. There's a lot of airlines out there which struggle economically to survive. They get by by the skin of their teeth," he says.
1/04/2011 8:32:00
A rather surprising statement from the boss of Air New Zealand. Rob Fyfe does not care if the cost of aviation fuel rises to even greater heights.At the moment it's around $115 a barrel - other airlines say if it gets to $150, that will become painful.
However Rob Fyfe told CNN's Richard Quest that high fuel prices will clean some of the cut-price airlines out of the industry. "I'd actually be happy with fuel at 150 , I'd be happy with fuel at $200. We are actually an incredibly robust airline, we've got a very strong balance sheet. There's a lot of airlines out there which struggle economically to survive. They get by by the skin of their teeth," he says.
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go here: infowars.com
if you have an open mind and objectively listen, especially when guests that come on you will see that calling people "conspiracy... whatever" is you just being comfortable in your own world. It is an effort to hear about alternative opinions from your own programmed bubble (and main stream "vested interests" media). Its uncomfortable and it forces you to re-evaluate your own world. That's uncomfortable for most people but, if your any sort of pilot, ignoring the evidence that your engine is on fire will not make you safe, it makes you ignorant and stupid.
There are countless documents from very qualified people that simply blow your "numb nuts" argument away. Insulting people simply proves your so unbalanced in your opinion you cannot accept new information as it presented to you. Very bad for everything in your life. Sure it makes you feel "in control" when you just insult somebody with surface detail and some kind of 49.3% statistics etc etc.
I am sure this will fall on deaf ears but, once again, if you have an ability to review information in its entirety before you blab about your opinion then you may learn something that may help you......
good luck in breaking your paradigm; or keeping your old one.
Michael Ruppert (ex Police officer etc etc):
Truth and lies of 9/11 (watch because it talks about the geo-politics B4 the event not just the event - Also relates to oil).
CNN:
if you have an open mind and objectively listen, especially when guests that come on you will see that calling people "conspiracy... whatever" is you just being comfortable in your own world. It is an effort to hear about alternative opinions from your own programmed bubble (and main stream "vested interests" media). Its uncomfortable and it forces you to re-evaluate your own world. That's uncomfortable for most people but, if your any sort of pilot, ignoring the evidence that your engine is on fire will not make you safe, it makes you ignorant and stupid.
There are countless documents from very qualified people that simply blow your "numb nuts" argument away. Insulting people simply proves your so unbalanced in your opinion you cannot accept new information as it presented to you. Very bad for everything in your life. Sure it makes you feel "in control" when you just insult somebody with surface detail and some kind of 49.3% statistics etc etc.
I am sure this will fall on deaf ears but, once again, if you have an ability to review information in its entirety before you blab about your opinion then you may learn something that may help you......
good luck in breaking your paradigm; or keeping your old one.
Michael Ruppert (ex Police officer etc etc):
Truth and lies of 9/11 (watch because it talks about the geo-politics B4 the event not just the event - Also relates to oil).
CNN:
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Fyfe "happy" for fuel prices to rise
A rather surprising statement from the boss of Air New Zealand. Rob Fyfe does not care if the cost of aviation fuel rises to even greater heights.At the moment it's around $115 a barrel - other airlines say if it gets to $150, that will become painful.
However Rob Fyfe told CNN's Richard Quest that high fuel prices will clean some of the cut-price airlines out of the industry. "I'd actually be happy with fuel at 150 , I'd be happy with fuel at $200. We are actually an incredibly robust airline, we've got a very strong balance sheet. There's a lot of airlines out there which struggle economically to survive. They get by by the skin of their teeth," he says.
A rather surprising statement from the boss of Air New Zealand. Rob Fyfe does not care if the cost of aviation fuel rises to even greater heights.At the moment it's around $115 a barrel - other airlines say if it gets to $150, that will become painful.
However Rob Fyfe told CNN's Richard Quest that high fuel prices will clean some of the cut-price airlines out of the industry. "I'd actually be happy with fuel at 150 , I'd be happy with fuel at $200. We are actually an incredibly robust airline, we've got a very strong balance sheet. There's a lot of airlines out there which struggle economically to survive. They get by by the skin of their teeth," he says.
And even at $115 per barrel their would be several Aussie outfits bleeding severely at that rate. At any rate, Fyfe's comment is somewhat bizzare considering his ability and certainly his strengths as a decent CEO. Maybe he has been getting naked in the sun for too many Air New Zealand TV commercials ?
Jibba Jabba - Excellent post relating to the the revenue obtained through illicit drug trading and the governments involvement. Although a lot of people would be shocked or naievely offended by such statements the facts remain that it is true. Only a fool would put any government (including the USA) up on a pedestal and doubt that a government would or could be involved in anything like drug trading, corruption, deceit or immoral unethical activities. Governments set the bar when it comes to this sort of behaviour. Try reading 'The Creature From Jekyll Island' if you want to see the links between individual greed, the US government and a handful of obscenely wealthy banking cartel families who are The Federal Reserve System.
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gobbledock,
I think your right, most airlines would have hedged significantly at $40 barrel oil, and even at $80 odd dollars.
He is right, this discount airline biz can only go on so long. I dont think oil prices will be going down in a hurry as Soro's came out and hinted the new world reserve currency will be backed partly by gold and energy(oil).
I think your right, most airlines would have hedged significantly at $40 barrel oil, and even at $80 odd dollars.
He is right, this discount airline biz can only go on so long. I dont think oil prices will be going down in a hurry as Soro's came out and hinted the new world reserve currency will be backed partly by gold and energy(oil).
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new world reserve currency will be backed partly by gold and energy(oil).
The 2008 GFC which is still causing pain is just a precursor to the bubble that is about to really burst. Portugal, Spain, Greece, Ireland, Italy, USA -all up s*it creek financially. The rest of the world is experiencing massive inflation (the annonomous tax), artificial house/land value's, increased debts and minimal ability or desire to lower debt and inflation.
Research 'The Mandrake Mechanism' and you will be amazed at how economies, war and economic depressions have all been caused and manipulated and controlled by a handul of greedy families in their quest for world power and dominance. Governments are merely puppets and a pawn in this game. The UN, CFR and World Bank have other plans.
Time will tell.
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why, in the rest of the business community, the increasing costs of materials to provide a service or product are passed on to the end consumer, yet in the aviation industry, this does not happen? fuel goes up, pass on the costs.....is it so hard?
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why, in the rest of the business community, the increasing costs of materials to provide a service or product are passed on to the end consumer, yet in the aviation industry, this does not happen? fuel goes up, pass on the costs.....is it so hard?
These days in aviation most revenue comes from leisure. So if you jack the price of fares up it is all over red rover. People won't travel because leisure is a luxury not a necessity. Business travel is easy to cull since we now have video conferencing etc. Add into the mix the massive amount of tax airlines pay on fuel and the daylight robbery that is charged by airport corporations and you have an aviation sector that has it's hands tied....
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This film is a great summary of the situation we all face - the Big Picture.
I now feel that there is enough interest and maturity on this forum tread to show this gem.
See you on the other side.
This is only part 1 of 8 (Total film only about 60min). Follow the youtube link for the rest or to see the film in its entirety
I now feel that there is enough interest and maturity on this forum tread to show this gem.
See you on the other side.
This is only part 1 of 8 (Total film only about 60min). Follow the youtube link for the rest or to see the film in its entirety
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