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The ol' oil debate again......
Market jitters caused by speculators...nothing more than that!
Whilst all this is going on...the Saudis quietly increase there production output to capitalise on the windfall...which also is amazing considering how long it takes to go ex-terminal to delivery...doesn't happen overnight. Spivs and spinners playing around with a futures market...laughing at us whilst we pay through the nose for a not so scarce commodity.
Market jitters caused by speculators...nothing more than that!
Whilst all this is going on...the Saudis quietly increase there production output to capitalise on the windfall...which also is amazing considering how long it takes to go ex-terminal to delivery...doesn't happen overnight. Spivs and spinners playing around with a futures market...laughing at us whilst we pay through the nose for a not so scarce commodity.
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Market jitters caused by speculators...nothing more than that!
Truth is, there are alternative fuel sources when oil runs out. No one will invest in them until the oil companies, vehicle producers etc have made every last cent that they can at the highest profit they can.
There's a lot of crap in this thread. The Middle East is not a jigsaw puzzle. You can't ever put the pieces together to get a pretty picture.
There's some great books out on Yom Kippur Chimbu. Have a read of them.
Israel was defending the Golan in 73. Knocking Syria out of the war would have been a difficult task. The Syrians were in a position to counterattack prior to a cease fire, having been restocked by the Russians. Add to this Iraqi divisions and the Jordanians opening up another front. And of course, the ultimate threat, Soviet intervention.
Interestingly, just read a book by an IAF pilot, who lead an 'accidental' airstrike that decimated a Syrian armored push on the Golan that was about to result in Israeli capitulation. Sheer a$$. The Israeli Air Force was more lucky than leadership smart during the 73 war. Would their luck have held up in prolonging the war? Significant reinforcements of SAM-6 would probably led to unrecoverable attrition of fighter crews.
I mean going all the way to Damascus instead of stopping in the Golan Heights.
Israel was defending the Golan in 73. Knocking Syria out of the war would have been a difficult task. The Syrians were in a position to counterattack prior to a cease fire, having been restocked by the Russians. Add to this Iraqi divisions and the Jordanians opening up another front. And of course, the ultimate threat, Soviet intervention.
Interestingly, just read a book by an IAF pilot, who lead an 'accidental' airstrike that decimated a Syrian armored push on the Golan that was about to result in Israeli capitulation. Sheer a$$. The Israeli Air Force was more lucky than leadership smart during the 73 war. Would their luck have held up in prolonging the war? Significant reinforcements of SAM-6 would probably led to unrecoverable attrition of fighter crews.
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This could be the beginning of the end for the American empire and this will be coincident with an increase in violence in the Middle East.
On top of this they are trying to raise the debt ceiling at the moment, if this happens that will absolutely drive the final nail into the coffin of a once prosperous nation. Write your epitaphs now, they are done.
Perhaps the U.S government can borrow back some of the money that they have allowed the Illuminati, sorry I mean the Federal Reserve System to pilfer ?
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Three part reasonably accurate summary of where things are going.
YouTube - Pt 1/3 - Gerald Celente - On the Edge with Max Keiser - Global insurrection - 02-25-2011
The hypocrisy is dripping from every corner as the west has backed Egypt and Saudi by arming, training and financing brutal domestic militia for decades but at the first hint of civil disobedience in Libya and they will send in the Marines.
The lesson to be learnt - if your Government complies with western commercial interests, like Egypt and Saudi then we - the west - will assist your leaders in crushing you if you dare complain.
Iran/Iraq/Indonesia/Phillipines/Egypt/Saudi/Chile/Nicuragua/Honduras/El Salvador. And others
YouTube - Pt 1/3 - Gerald Celente - On the Edge with Max Keiser - Global insurrection - 02-25-2011
The hypocrisy is dripping from every corner as the west has backed Egypt and Saudi by arming, training and financing brutal domestic militia for decades but at the first hint of civil disobedience in Libya and they will send in the Marines.
The lesson to be learnt - if your Government complies with western commercial interests, like Egypt and Saudi then we - the west - will assist your leaders in crushing you if you dare complain.
Iran/Iraq/Indonesia/Phillipines/Egypt/Saudi/Chile/Nicuragua/Honduras/El Salvador. And others
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Here is a quote from Gen Wesley Clark from an interview with Amy Goodman:
So I came back to see him (a high ranking military officer in the Pentagon) a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defence’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
This is the start of the "draining of the swamp".
So I came back to see him (a high ranking military officer in the Pentagon) a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defence’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
This is the start of the "draining of the swamp".
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I really dont think the US are geared up for alternative energy/fuels.
If they were, wouldnt it be a lot easier and cheaper to progress to them, rather than opening up endless wartime fronts to secure supply?
I know the US political system is owned by big Oil, but even they must see it is ultimately futile.
If they were, wouldnt it be a lot easier and cheaper to progress to them, rather than opening up endless wartime fronts to secure supply?
I know the US political system is owned by big Oil, but even they must see it is ultimately futile.
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Watching CNN and listening to Clinton its obvious that they have a game plan for Libya. Oil, uncooperative dictator, middle east. Sound familiar?
You honestly don't think Gaddafi's violence against his own people is the reason?
He is bombing his own cities and murdering people - he seems determined to go down in flames - If he cant have Libya then no one will.
And the UN is doing what precisely? Publishing a report that praises Libya and Gaddafi as a beacon on the hill of 'Human Rights'
What would you consider a better outcome than the US intervening?
"If they didn't invade 'for the oil' years ago when he was widely sponsoring terrorism (and when they were not fighting two other wars) why would they do it now 'for the oil'."
Because like many oil producing countries in the ME, their oil fields are state owned or managed, deteriorating and in need of (western) expertise in order to regain efficient production levels. This becomes especially important with fears of possible instability in places such as Iran which will be much more difficult to influence. The control of oil production, pricing, marketing and its influence on USD hegemony and manufacturing is the start and finish of western foreign policy right now and will be until a new global monetary system is put in place.
“You honestly don't think Gaddafi's violence against his own people is the reason?”
No. Why would we care more about a Libyan than a Vietnamese or a Cambodian or an Iraqi?
Because like many oil producing countries in the ME, their oil fields are state owned or managed, deteriorating and in need of (western) expertise in order to regain efficient production levels. This becomes especially important with fears of possible instability in places such as Iran which will be much more difficult to influence. The control of oil production, pricing, marketing and its influence on USD hegemony and manufacturing is the start and finish of western foreign policy right now and will be until a new global monetary system is put in place.
“You honestly don't think Gaddafi's violence against his own people is the reason?”
No. Why would we care more about a Libyan than a Vietnamese or a Cambodian or an Iraqi?
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Let them wipe themselves out and after it's done the shambles that is left will need help from the US/west and then do a deal on oil which is there only serious export.
How does that sound after he has killed thousands of his own people and his sons are in control?
Let them wipe themselves out and after it's done the shambles that is left will need help from the US/west and then do a deal on oil which is there only serious export.
How does that sound after he has killed thousands of his own people and his sons are in control?
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"You honestly don't think Gaddafi's violence against his own people is the reason?"
Did you have the same opinion when the west was supportive of Pinochet murdering his own people or when Suharto was murdering his own people?
"You honestly don't think Gaddafi's violence against his own people is the reason?"
Did you have the same opinion when the west was supportive of Pinochet murdering his own people or when Suharto was murdering his own people?
"You honestly don't think Gaddafi's violence against his own people is the reason?"
110 cruise missiles in the first wave. For humanitarian reasons?
I highly doubt it.
Oil.
110 cruise missiles in the first wave. For humanitarian reasons?
I highly doubt it.
Oil.
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110 cruise missiles in the first wave. For humanitarian reasons?
I highly doubt it.
Oil.
I highly doubt it.
Oil.
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"If it was about the oil I imagine the USMC would be landing there in short order."
Lets wait and see how that unfolds. This is early days.
Below is a good idea of where the western overlords are taking us.
Lets wait and see how that unfolds. This is early days.
Below is a good idea of where the western overlords are taking us.
Khalifa Haftar: The man who left Virginia to lead Libya's rebels - CNN.com
CIA has been working on this revolution for a long time.
CIA has been working on this revolution for a long time.
"While many of the rationalizations describe resources, especially oil, as the reasons why we should be in that country, there are also an increasing number of dissenting voices. For the most part, these revolve around Libya’s financial relationship with the World Bank, International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), and multinational corporations.
According to the IMF, Libya’s Central Bank is 100% state owned. The IMF estimates that the bank has nearly 144 tons of gold in its vaults. It is significant that in the months running up to the UN resolution that allowed the US and its allies to send troops into Libya, Muammar al-Qaddafi was openly advocating the creation of a new currency that would rival the dollar and the euro. In fact, he called upon African and Muslim nations to join an alliance that would make this new currency, the gold dinar, their primary form of money and foreign exchange. They would sell oil and other resources to the US and the rest of the world only for gold dinars."
John Perkins, Author of "confessions of an economic hitman"
According to the IMF, Libya’s Central Bank is 100% state owned. The IMF estimates that the bank has nearly 144 tons of gold in its vaults. It is significant that in the months running up to the UN resolution that allowed the US and its allies to send troops into Libya, Muammar al-Qaddafi was openly advocating the creation of a new currency that would rival the dollar and the euro. In fact, he called upon African and Muslim nations to join an alliance that would make this new currency, the gold dinar, their primary form of money and foreign exchange. They would sell oil and other resources to the US and the rest of the world only for gold dinars."
John Perkins, Author of "confessions of an economic hitman"
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Good to see 'some' of you lot are taking the blinkers off. Keep digging if you're brave enough.
Makes whining about pay and conditions look silly and irrelevant - and guilty as charged.
OpEdNews - Article: Whistleblower: Libya "Vampire War" is About Oil, Lockerbie and CIA Heroin Op
For those that are interested - video link below to 'our' 911. Will make you look and the new "AFP TV series" in a new way.
Makes whining about pay and conditions look silly and irrelevant - and guilty as charged.
OpEdNews - Article: Whistleblower: Libya "Vampire War" is About Oil, Lockerbie and CIA Heroin Op
For those that are interested - video link below to 'our' 911. Will make you look and the new "AFP TV series" in a new way.
That video is nothing more than a statement with unsubstantiated accusations and theories. It’s as preposterous as those that say that 911 was an inside job by the US government. People that believe that sh*t quite frankly are morons.
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