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No, this appears to me to be more of case of more ar$e than class. A well-executed forced landing would have seen the aircraft avoid powerlines and end up, upright... not upside down and shredded into 100 pieces scattered along the street.
I'm amazed they walked away. Most upside-down light aircraft end up with headless pilot and pax.
I'm amazed they walked away. Most upside-down light aircraft end up with headless pilot and pax.
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Yes, a look at the Google Map doesn't reveal too many alternatives. Perhaps the Fairfield Golf Course,to the West, could have been a better choice but reaching it may have been another matter altogether. Horatio,one news broadcast identified the dog as a Spoodle,whatever that might be,but I can confirm that it was a black dog.
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Jeez, I've heard it all now and, thanks to Onetrack we can put the investigation to bed.
There wasn't any fuel spill to be seen. Well, consider this: (a) the fuel tank itself MIGHT not have been ruptured (b) the wing in question (that would have contained the fuel) is nowhere in sight, so who knows if there's fuel around that location and (c) if the tank was ruptured and some fuel did spill, do you not think it may have evaporated?
The dog did it! Give me strength
Have you considered the dog may have been flying since it was a pup and is perfectly at home in an aircraft? Do you KNOW it was 'loose' in the cabin? Can you tell me, oh mighty Sage, how a dog can cause an engine failure?
As for his choice of forced landing area, you amply demonstrate your ignorance when you castigate the pilot for hitting power lines etc in a built up area. He had very little choice where he was going to end up and, at the end of the day, did a bloody good job. Nobody was killed and, apart from the aircraft, no lasting damage was done. Sure, lots of people were without power for a few hours and those power lines had to be repaired but that amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you'd ever read any accident reports you will have seen countless examples of pilots hitting cables when carrying out forced landings in (almost) wide open paddocks, so hitting one in a built up area is not surprising.
Where's the 'cock' emoticon when you need one 
There wasn't any fuel spill to be seen. Well, consider this: (a) the fuel tank itself MIGHT not have been ruptured (b) the wing in question (that would have contained the fuel) is nowhere in sight, so who knows if there's fuel around that location and (c) if the tank was ruptured and some fuel did spill, do you not think it may have evaporated?
The dog did it! Give me strength
Have you considered the dog may have been flying since it was a pup and is perfectly at home in an aircraft? Do you KNOW it was 'loose' in the cabin? Can you tell me, oh mighty Sage, how a dog can cause an engine failure?As for his choice of forced landing area, you amply demonstrate your ignorance when you castigate the pilot for hitting power lines etc in a built up area. He had very little choice where he was going to end up and, at the end of the day, did a bloody good job. Nobody was killed and, apart from the aircraft, no lasting damage was done. Sure, lots of people were without power for a few hours and those power lines had to be repaired but that amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you'd ever read any accident reports you will have seen countless examples of pilots hitting cables when carrying out forced landings in (almost) wide open paddocks, so hitting one in a built up area is not surprising.
No, this appears to me to be more of case of more ar$e than class. A well-executed forced landing would have seen the aircraft avoid powerlines and end up, upright... not upside down and shredded into 100 pieces scattered along the street.
I'm pretty suspicious of the dog, especially if it's a poodle.
I know for a fact there are no recorded incidents of a Labrador causing an engine failure in an Australian aircraft.
Get a real dog or give it away, I say.
I know for a fact there are no recorded incidents of a Labrador causing an engine failure in an Australian aircraft.
Get a real dog or give it away, I say.
Just listened to the recording,
WELL Done BK ATC - and also to the assisting pilot of HYJ.
A 'Professional' performance on the part of both, and, I have to say, I've listened to a few over the years...
Well Done!!
WELL Done BK ATC - and also to the assisting pilot of HYJ.
A 'Professional' performance on the part of both, and, I have to say, I've listened to a few over the years...
Well Done!!
Sounds suspiciously like a great deal of unprofessionalism here... and a large dose of exceptionally good luck.
No, this appears to me to be more of case of more ar$e than class. A well-executed forced landing would have seen the aircraft avoid powerlines and end up, upright... not upside down and shredded into 100 pieces scattered along the street.
No, this appears to me to be more of case of more ar$e than class. A well-executed forced landing would have seen the aircraft avoid powerlines and end up, upright... not upside down and shredded into 100 pieces scattered along the street.
Onetrack, you have certainly raised the bar for uninformed pointless comment here. There is not a shred of even the minutest evidence of unprofessionalism. onetrack FAIL
Nor is there even the merest hint of a notion of more arse than class. Tell me, oh great sage, have you ever been in a GA tank at GA height over dense suburbs and suffered an engine failure, except perhaps in that most coveted of armchair critics' environment, good old Flight Simulator? Once again, FAIL.
That's gold horatio ( or should I say chocolate) woof
The current fad of brown "Labradors" is simply the elevation of the humble Kelpie with a funny-shaped head
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Getting towards the end of Page 2 and this thread will no-doubt go the way of others before it peters out.
We, as a group, will fall into different schools... some will criticise, others will defend, and then we may have the abstract.
This will be classed as an accident, I am sure. I am an aircraft owner and pay insurance so I am directly affected.
I am sure this will ensure we get into Page 3 at least...
Would an instance of an aircraft on a long cross country suffering fuel exhaustion be an accident ?
Would a pilot changing tanks over a built-up area without a suitable landing area in sight...and had a fuel related issue, - would that constitute an accident ?
Just my thinking aloud here.. I know there will be similar scenarios where we may polarise over the definition of an accident.
I have not heard the tapes, I understand it was an engine stoppage of some sorts and I am guessing the prop was stationary on initial impact. (From photos.)
Another thought.....
You do a fuel change over a build up area and loose the aircraft, fuel starvation.
The fuel selector (being old and plastic), - cracks about the internal 'D' and the selector has stuck between tanks. Major dilemma, the engine has just spluttered and stopped. At least no need to do trouble checking, so straight into the FLWOP.
....and it ends like this one for example... in what could be classed as a good result.
Any thoughts guys ?
Any one or thing to blame..?
The old aircraft.. yep, not nice getting on in years..
The manufacturer for failing to advise of the issue..
The engineers for failing to detect the impending failure..
The pilot for changing tanks with nowhere to go..
The instructor for failing to reinforce the issue..
The pilot for hitting the wires..
The media for hyping it up..
The dog ??
I suspect the answers may give an indication of our 'culture'..
We, as a group, will fall into different schools... some will criticise, others will defend, and then we may have the abstract.
This will be classed as an accident, I am sure. I am an aircraft owner and pay insurance so I am directly affected.
I am sure this will ensure we get into Page 3 at least...
Would an instance of an aircraft on a long cross country suffering fuel exhaustion be an accident ?
Would a pilot changing tanks over a built-up area without a suitable landing area in sight...and had a fuel related issue, - would that constitute an accident ?
Just my thinking aloud here.. I know there will be similar scenarios where we may polarise over the definition of an accident.
I have not heard the tapes, I understand it was an engine stoppage of some sorts and I am guessing the prop was stationary on initial impact. (From photos.)
Another thought.....
You do a fuel change over a build up area and loose the aircraft, fuel starvation.
The fuel selector (being old and plastic), - cracks about the internal 'D' and the selector has stuck between tanks. Major dilemma, the engine has just spluttered and stopped. At least no need to do trouble checking, so straight into the FLWOP.
....and it ends like this one for example... in what could be classed as a good result.
Any thoughts guys ?
Any one or thing to blame..?
The old aircraft.. yep, not nice getting on in years..
The manufacturer for failing to advise of the issue..
The engineers for failing to detect the impending failure..
The pilot for changing tanks with nowhere to go..
The instructor for failing to reinforce the issue..
The pilot for hitting the wires..
The media for hyping it up..
The dog ??
I suspect the answers may give an indication of our 'culture'..
'culture'.....
"The dog failed to stop the man from touching anything" ...yer might be onto somthin there Ushuaia. I hear the dog is fairly old, so it mighta been a case of the dog snoozing on the job..
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"The dog failed to stop the man from touching anything" ...yer might be onto somthin there Ushuaia. I hear the dog is fairly old, so it mighta been a case of the dog snoozing on the job..
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Baron...
I totally agree with you...Fuel starvation is no accident, OMG, these people are so lucky its just not funny..this was almost Canley Vale again..
Please don't think for one minute that I'm being critical of the ability of the pilot to get the aircraft down, that was an outstaning effort and well done
. They lived. I shudder everytime I see a post about another tragic loss of life of an aviator.
Look, I don't know what the FP (if one was submitted) was of if this fligt was VFR or IRF BUT.....why not stop halfway and get some fuel!!!! At least this will buy you a few extra alternatives......
If the pilot of this aircraft is reading this then please.......go and buy 3 lottery tickets mate, 1 for you, 1 for your pax and 1 for the dog and make sure your next flight is with an instructor (please). You are one lucky man....
Stiky
I totally agree with you...Fuel starvation is no accident, OMG, these people are so lucky its just not funny..this was almost Canley Vale again..
Please don't think for one minute that I'm being critical of the ability of the pilot to get the aircraft down, that was an outstaning effort and well done
. They lived. I shudder everytime I see a post about another tragic loss of life of an aviator. Look, I don't know what the FP (if one was submitted) was of if this fligt was VFR or IRF BUT.....why not stop halfway and get some fuel!!!! At least this will buy you a few extra alternatives......
If the pilot of this aircraft is reading this then please.......go and buy 3 lottery tickets mate, 1 for you, 1 for your pax and 1 for the dog and make sure your next flight is with an instructor (please). You are one lucky man....
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I've said before:
Fuel starvation can be an accident.
Fuel exhaustion most times is due to poor planning.
However, the case that fuel starvation can be an accident could be something like a blocked fuel vent.
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Fuel exhaustion could happen if the fuel bladder collapsed due blocked fuel vent, and was not spotted in a refuel. (Thus having less in the tanks than initially thought)
Fuel starvation can be an accident.
Fuel exhaustion most times is due to poor planning.
However, the case that fuel starvation can be an accident could be something like a blocked fuel vent.
'Fuel exhaustion could happen if the fuel bladder collapsed due blocked fuel vent, and was not spotted in a refuel. (Thus having less in the tanks than initially thought)
Can you tell me, oh mighty Sage, how a dog can cause an engine failure?
Oh I forgot..the pilot tried to put the mixture control back to rich but the dog would have none of it and bit him for stealing his bone.Anyone care to add to this theory?
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Can you tell me, oh mighty Sage, how a dog can cause an engine failure?
An unconfined animal is like a two year old on the loose. Dogs can suddenly leap in excitement, can jump and scrabble on any control mechanism, switch, fuel tap, or other vital component, that could easily result in engine stoppage... that a low hr pilot could mistake for engine failure.
It's bad enough that we have people driving vehicles with unrestrained dogs in them... even carrying them in their lap when behind the wheel. I'll have the last laugh if the ATSB report finds that an unconfined animal had a part to play in this crash.
Oh... I also found this video, which apparently shows your professional piloting in action...
Floating Flying Dog
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What a stupid dog ,As I recall skippy managed to fly the chopper on more than one occasion and lassie failed a simple landing on a back street.
My dog would have dodged the power poles and went under the the power lines, with 10 bucks worth of juice still in the tanks
My dog would have dodged the power poles and went under the the power lines, with 10 bucks worth of juice still in the tanks