No, Surely not?

[Super Cecil]

For many people an Ag flying job IS entry level

Used to be mebe thirty or forty years ago, nobody's going to give you a job now just for you to get "hours" up. I've been in the game a little while now and in the last thirty years I know of only three who have got out and gone on to airlines.

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

No disrespect to the Ag game; this guy started drawing parallels with Ag so I kept up that line. Of course, $15,000 for an Ag rating, the long hours and the need for some hours sorts the croppies from the wannabes.

Most Ag guys are Ag (or at least GA) for life and I've seen the kind of hours and money an Ag operation can make in a day.

Apples and Orange,

FRQ CB

[John Citizen]

Out of the blokes I studied with, the ones who were the biggest plonkers got all the good first jobs in GA

Does that still stand in the RPT world?

Yes, unfortunately yes.

I see saw some of the biggest p!ssheads get ahead in GA because of being a being a p!isshead, and now the exact same is happening in the airlines !!

You can sit and home and study your books every night, you will never get ahead. Drink p1ss every night with the right people and you will go very far indeed.

It's all do with networking. Drink p1ss, get known, be likable, don't be a d!ckhead, and you will be recommended. Unfortunatelty (if you are not a p!sshead) that's how the system works and you just have go along with it.

Although I can understand why it works this way. I have heard many times that the wrong pilot has been hired from a resume and a simple interview and they turned out to be a real d1ckhead.

However, not many people will recommened a d!ckhead and so this system/filter mechanism works better sometimes.

I remember back in GA, when looking for a pilot, the first thing the chief pilot would do would be to ask the pilots if they know anybody or ask them if they know of a particular person who perhaps he is considering to hire.

If the pilots in the company knew you and recommended you (because you were a great person / great person to drink beer with), then you most likely got the job.

It is not a perfect system, and quite a few of these p!ssheads have not been the ideal pilot to employ (sometimes because of their alcohol habits) but that's the system they seem to use these days.

I don't exactly agree with it that's how it is.

If I only I knew this 15 years ago.