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Old 30th Nov 2010, 03:33
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I have heard third hand that Airservices will not publish NOTAMs for a lack of Fuel. The opposite is true in NZ. Currently I don't need to worry about fuel planning, but if I did I'd be taking it up with Airservices (in the first instance) and Casa.
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Old 30th Nov 2010, 11:10
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you heard correctly. Airservices WILL NOT NOTAM for fuel. No one is suggesting for a minute that they should be checking every facility around the country but if a supplier or airport operator submits a NOTAM surely it can't be that hard to put it in the system. Especially now that the electronic lodgement needs almost no handling by Airservices NOTAM office staff.
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The subject of issuing NOTAMs re fuel has come up a few times at the RAPACs over the years.

The general feeling was that the availability of fuel is clearly something that is in the interests of a pilot to check and arrange direct with a refueller before proceeding, rather than rely on other parties or published information.

Also it was not known what level of support there would be from all refuellers, who would clearly need to be consulted on the matter. If introduced it would impose responsibility on them for arranging NOTAMs and updates in a timely manner, and the feeling was most refuellers in the bush would probably feel that if someone really needed fuel, they should phone ahead and make arrangements direct, if only out of courtesy.

As a result, the issue hasn't proceeded.
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Old 1st Dec 2010, 06:44
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Thanks Captain, Certainly clarifies a few things taking into account the broader issues at play.
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BTW DF, Anything further on the Council possibly putting you back in business?
No council here - we are out of council area. And as for the aerodrome owners, they couldn't care less. I have been trying for the past few days to contact someone in Darwin who rang me earlier in the year about putting in self serve tanks at the airport. Have been unable to get through to him so far.

Airservices WILL NOT NOTAM for fuel.
Not quite true. They will not NOTAM for fuel if it's only going to be offline for a while, otherwise they would be forever putting out NOTAMS because someone was waiting on a bridger to come in or some other reason. However they will NOTAM if the fuel has been removed permanently (as in the case of YLEC) until the ERSA reflects the change in status.

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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 02:08
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Seems to me there's lots of opportunity around Australia these days for some entrepreneurial type to drop a few of these around the place.

* * * COMPLETE UNITIZED FUELING FACILITY * * *
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Seems to me there's lots of opportunity around Australia these days for some entrepreneurial type to drop a few of these around the place.
Yes the opportunity is there - provided you can get permission from the aerodrome owners. That's what's holding us up here at the moment. And despite the fact that there's two perfectly good sheds available in a locked compound, they will not allow the storage of drums!

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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 07:15
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The company just got an email today from Mobil basically saying that they have put 20000 litres back into the AVGAS tank that can be used until it runs out or Monday Feb 28th 2011..which ever comes first. The statement says that they will continue to investigate other options to provide on-going availability of Avgas fuel at PAG airport Make of that what you will but it dosent look hopeful after Feb 28th but at least there is some available for a couple more months.

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The company just got an email today from Mobil basically saying that they have put 20000 litres back into the AVGAS tank that can be used until it runs out or Monday Feb 28th 2011..which ever comes first.
That sounds strange - I wonder what their reasoning is there?

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Old 11th Feb 2011, 22:30
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Found out this week that Port Lincoln Aviation will be keeping the AVGAS going at PAG 28th Feb is still the cut off for existing supply but they are hoping the change over and re-location of the bowser on the old RFDS Hangar site will be complete not long after the 28th. Ring the PAG Aerodrome if your travelling through just to double check.

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Old 11th Feb 2011, 23:27
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Port Lincoln Aviation will be keeping the AVGAS going at PAG
Good news there. JM still running PLA?

How's things going your way DF?
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Old 18th Feb 2011, 10:13
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Pirie no landing fees and far more friendlier service and much easier cheaper fuel too
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Old 18th Feb 2011, 14:56
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If PLA have got the avgas at YPAG, race out and grab some vaseline. It hurts otherwise. Gas is cheaper in the far north than YPLC
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Old 18th Feb 2011, 19:40
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I share the despair about the reduction in the number of AVGAS boswers. Not good.

But as for NOTAMs - what happened to ringing ahead?
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Pirie no landing fees and far more friendlier service and much easier cheaper fuel too
Maybe so, but Paul is stationed in YPAG.

How's things going your way DF?
Painfully! Going in for maintenance on the undercarriage shortly.

But as for NOTAMs - what happened to ringing ahead?
Quite agree Stallie! Had a guy turn up here several weeks ago in an Aztec & ring me for fuel, only to be told the sad news that he was over two years too late. Did not think he had enough fuel to get to YMRE, & had to get a drum sent down.

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Old 27th Feb 2011, 06:13
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 08:25
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That's interesting 717tech, Maybe AsA have changed the policy? Can anyone confirm?
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