Instructor jobs in Australia.
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Instructor jobs in Australia.
Hello everybody,
I'm a 600hr fixed wing flying instructor in the UK and as the Winter comes in, more and more are the days where we have to cancel our flying lessons, moan about the weather and try to convince our students that it is very exciting to ground school instead of being out there flying...
I was wondering if anyone here in this forum knows about any instructor jobs available in Australia and, if I would have to convert my JAA/EASA licences to Australian (CASA?) licences in order to instruct there.
I not a fan of the long lasting cold and wet winters that we have here in the UK
Any help would be hugely appreciated, thanks!
I'm a 600hr fixed wing flying instructor in the UK and as the Winter comes in, more and more are the days where we have to cancel our flying lessons, moan about the weather and try to convince our students that it is very exciting to ground school instead of being out there flying...
I was wondering if anyone here in this forum knows about any instructor jobs available in Australia and, if I would have to convert my JAA/EASA licences to Australian (CASA?) licences in order to instruct there.
I not a fan of the long lasting cold and wet winters that we have here in the UK
Any help would be hugely appreciated, thanks!
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Tks mate,
You are right. I would need to get those permissions, but first of all I was wondering if there were any FI jobs at all.
If there are any jobs than I will spend some time researching what the requirements are in order to get those papers.
It will surely involve lots of paperwork, time and money!!!
But I'm sure that it would worth all the effort!
Flying in Australia must be simply amazing!
You are right. I would need to get those permissions, but first of all I was wondering if there were any FI jobs at all.
If there are any jobs than I will spend some time researching what the requirements are in order to get those papers.
It will surely involve lots of paperwork, time and money!!!
But I'm sure that it would worth all the effort!
Flying in Australia must be simply amazing!
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It is pointless you asking about flying instructor jobs in Australia.
Before you get all excited in anticipation of a life in the sun Down Under:
Conversion of a foreign license.
Visas and immigration.
The facts:
Solve those problems first, before you look for work.
Available work may depend upon whether CASA grant you a Grade 3, 2 or 1 Instructor Rating, most likely the lowest level Grade 3. The time, money and effort required to obtain an Australian Flying Instructor Rating may simply exclude that avenue of employment on a Working Holiday Visa unless you have buckets of money and heaps of time.
If it were that easy, everyone would be coming to Australia to work.
Before you get all excited in anticipation of a life in the sun Down Under:
Conversion of a foreign license.
Visas and immigration.
The facts:
- You will need to convert your JAA license and instructor rating and obtain a Security Card - no simple task.
- Unless you have an Australian right of residence or other qualifications, apart from flying, on our Skills in Demand list, the best you can expect would be a short term Working Holiday Visa with significant limits and restrictions on your ability to work as a pilot or instructor.
Solve those problems first, before you look for work.
Available work may depend upon whether CASA grant you a Grade 3, 2 or 1 Instructor Rating, most likely the lowest level Grade 3. The time, money and effort required to obtain an Australian Flying Instructor Rating may simply exclude that avenue of employment on a Working Holiday Visa unless you have buckets of money and heaps of time.
If it were that easy, everyone would be coming to Australia to work.
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How about a simple answer!!!! Unlike the previous replies!!!! If it was me in your shoes I would want to know if there are any jobs first b4 I went down the road of Qualifications, Visa etc. Seems like old mate previous didn't want foreigner's taking his/her jobs. I say let the best man win. Mate jobs are few and far between. I have been looking for the past 2 months and haven't had any luck, I am a low time instructor though. You might have more luck. Everyone keeps going on about how the airline industry is about to pick up freeing up the GA jobs but that hasn't happened yet. Don't think it is a good time but it is only bound to get better in the near future.
Hope that helps
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How about a simple answer!!!! Unlike the previous replies!!!! If it was me in your shoes I would want to know if there are any jobs first b4 I went down the road of Qualifications, Visa etc. Seems like old mate previous didn't want foreigner's taking his/her jobs. I say let the best man win. Mate jobs are few and far between. I have been looking for the past 2 months and haven't had any luck, I am a low time instructor though. You might have more luck. Everyone keeps going on about how the airline industry is about to pick up freeing up the GA jobs but that hasn't happened yet. Don't think it is a good time but it is only bound to get better in the near future.
Hope that helps
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Grade 2 is best for getting work. Junior grade 3 is next to useless.
If your under 30 a working holiday visa would be the go, work in a rural area and they'll give you a extra year on your visa.
Sponsorships are VERY RARE, however not unheard of.(for valuable people with Aussie licences already)
I would come here if you want and can afford a working holiday with a small chance of getting a aviation job. If your only interested in flying work and want to progress your career, the chances are against you and your setting yourself up for a world of hurt.
If your under 30 a working holiday visa would be the go, work in a rural area and they'll give you a extra year on your visa.
Sponsorships are VERY RARE, however not unheard of.(for valuable people with Aussie licences already)
I would come here if you want and can afford a working holiday with a small chance of getting a aviation job. If your only interested in flying work and want to progress your career, the chances are against you and your setting yourself up for a world of hurt.
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I did this 18 years ago. It took seven years to get the paperwork for the right to live and work here, and a few weeks to convert my CAA CPL and instructor rating.
I wasn't actually planning on instructing as a career when I got here, just did the conversions anyway. And the rest is history.
Yes it is much better here than watching the rain pour down the briefing room windows in the UK but I would always say...never put all your eggs in the aviation basket and have a plan B if you are planning to come out here.
Instructing on a working holdiay...for the cost of the conversion you would never be able to get a return on that investment in the time you were here, even if you could find an emlpoyer who would go through all the induction etc for someone who can only work 3 months in one place.
I think the rural thing only applies to people working in agriculture, could be wroing; sadly not many flying schools in rural areas anyway.
I wasn't actually planning on instructing as a career when I got here, just did the conversions anyway. And the rest is history.
Yes it is much better here than watching the rain pour down the briefing room windows in the UK but I would always say...never put all your eggs in the aviation basket and have a plan B if you are planning to come out here.
Instructing on a working holdiay...for the cost of the conversion you would never be able to get a return on that investment in the time you were here, even if you could find an emlpoyer who would go through all the induction etc for someone who can only work 3 months in one place.
I think the rural thing only applies to people working in agriculture, could be wroing; sadly not many flying schools in rural areas anyway.
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"It took seven years to get the paperwork for the right to live and work here,..."
But with CFI and at the POMs loss, Australia definately got the better deal!
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There are other options - I know of a pom that came out here on a working holiday visa and had his licence converted to a bare CPL. He then used this to spend a summer flying joy flights in a Tiger Moth. Also did a bit of RAA instructing I believe.
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"....this conversion bullsh*t is ridiculous, aussies havn't invented anythg (sic)"
The POMs must have invented it all - try converting your Aussie ATPL to a JAA/UK/EASA ATPL!!!
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the aussies would have copy pasted everythg from the UK and the US anyway, this conversion bull**** is ridiculous, aussies havn't invented anythg
If only! Australian procedures are nothing like anything else in the world and the publications so non user friendly it's ridiculous. ICAO? Nope. And don't get me started on the myths and legends that abound because of the Australian reinvention of the wheel, the Great Australian Flight Manual!
But then of course the aeroplanes fly differently here 
If only! Australian procedures are nothing like anything else in the world and the publications so non user friendly it's ridiculous. ICAO? Nope. And don't get me started on the myths and legends that abound because of the Australian reinvention of the wheel, the Great Australian Flight Manual!
But then of course the aeroplanes fly differently here
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Well thanks to all of you who have replied to my thread!
Your information was very helpful!
These licence conversions requirements certainly are not helpful for us pilots but I guess it is still a good source of income to the Civil aviation authorities and to flight schools too.
If all I could get is a Visa of short duration than its definitely not worth spending lots of money and time on licence conversions...
Maybe the easiest thing to do is to get married with an Ausie girl and that's it, problem sorted!
Your information was very helpful!
These licence conversions requirements certainly are not helpful for us pilots but I guess it is still a good source of income to the Civil aviation authorities and to flight schools too.
If all I could get is a Visa of short duration than its definitely not worth spending lots of money and time on licence conversions...
Maybe the easiest thing to do is to get married with an Ausie girl and that's it, problem sorted!
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At last, I found this thread relevant.To convert FAA CFI to CASA Grade 3(I suppose)? May I know, what are requirements? Thank you.
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Thanks Cynical Pilot!May I know how is the conversion like? What are the rest of the requirements besides a flight test?I am not sure how can the upgrade be done. Say from grade 2 to 1. Is it through recommendation?
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Do not be put off by cynics. All the requirements for the issue of an Australian Flight Instructor Rating are detailed in CAO 40.1.7 I suggest you read that CAO and then contact a flying school that is authorised to train flying instructors. Good luck.
Do not be put off by cynics. All the requirements for the issue of an Australian Flight Instructor Rating are detailed in CAO 40.1.7 I suggest you read that CAO and then contact a flying school that is authorised to train flying instructors. Good luck.
