That first job up north

[Turban]

Well first of all I said I "might" and I emphasise "might" go up North.

Time will tell, but, come on guys, it's a beautifull place, you can't deny it.

Is that so foolish to think than one might prefer flying 206 over there than

flight and auto-piloted plane in some other place?

I know how I sounded

at the bright eyed and bushy tailed attitude of the last post...

(Nice picture by the way) , but I was just speaking my mind, it's an internet forum for christ sake not an interview

I'm sorry but yes, I love aviation. Don't you ?

Baah..doesn't matter anyway huh ?

Cheers and see you around

Ps: Morno... sorry pal, I reeaaally didn't try to wind-up anything.
Was reading this thread and thought I'd say what I had to say.
Done

Cheers to you too

[morno]

Turban,

I know some people would say it's bad for pilot's futur to take a badly paid job; and I would agree with them, but I wouldn't mind spending my time cleaning planes, taking care of things plus flying and not being paid a lot

You need to get rid of that attitude real fast. DO NOT work for free. Otherwise you're simply becoming the scum which is ruining this industry.

morno

[Turban]

I'm sorry you got that of what I wrote.

Of course I would not work for free, my point was I'm not looking for a
brand new shiny jet plane, someone to clean my shoes and a big salary on top of it

You're right, and I said I'd agree with people saying what you just said

It's in the quote


Cheers

[Hasselhof]

Hold up a minute. Working cheapily and for free are two very different matters. Remember many of the people that join Aviation don't give two squats about the money involved. It is the love of flying that people should be doing it for. It's the scum that only become a pilot for the luxuries of money, a fast car and a massive house, that are ruining the industry.

If you work for less than award, then it isn't any different at all. I'll be the first to admit that the GA pilots award is a pittance compared to what it SHOULD be, but if you're working for less than that you're dudding everyone else in the industry that follows in your footsteps, as well as yourself.

"Love" for aviation doesn't put food in your mouth, a roof over your head, a shirt on your back and it certainly doesn't keep you warm at night. Don't forget that.

[Fat_Bulldog]

DominicYPGV

It's the scum that only become a pilot for the luxuries of money, a fast car and a massive house, that are ruining the industry. Not the people that have a general love for what they do.

That so called 'scum' in your words are the only ones keeping this industry up. It's people like you the reason management of airlines such as jetstar are bringing out these cadetships paying cadets a wage that you can basically pay rent, keep your car running, and buy food for the week. Goodluck raising a family/buying a house. They know there are school kids out there who have no idea and will sign up for something like this because 'they have a general love for aviation.' Once you have been in the industry for a while you will realise not everything is about flying, and that there is more to life outside of aviation which requires money!

[The Green Goblin]

It is the love of flying that people should be doing it for. It's the scum that only become a pilot for the luxuries of money, a fast car and a massive house, that are ruining the industry. Not the people that have a general love for what they do.

19 and an expert. I'd go as far as saying you have not earnt a dollar from flying yet.

In 10 years time after you have been working for a while, your mates have houses and nice cars and you're still driving an 84' pulsar hatch living in shared accommodation you'll change your tune. The terms and conditions in an Airline used to be worth it, now you can barely support a wife and kids AND pay a mortgage with an FO wage in Australia. As an FO you will also barely see your wife and kids as the airlines now work you to max hours, back of the clock with minimum rest.

It's okay though, because the general love of what I do makes it alllllll okay.

Living the dream!!!

[Cutter796]

DominicYPGV,

mate, you CANNOT be serious! Love always turns into reality, just takes longer for some to see it. Time for you to leave home and see the big picture. On a happy note, J* have noted your IP address and will be calling you quite soon....good luck

[Turban]

Thanks for the support Dominic

It's seems like there's been a misunderstanding.

I'll try to say what I said in another way.
I know some guys who went to cadetship, without having ever fly a plane before. And they just thought..."why not being an Airline Pilot. Sounds fancy" . And there they are.And that is a fact.

Or some other who went all the way by themselves.CPL IR ME ATPL ... now waiting for an airline job. They would consider nothing else.

And the one who would, they'd never, ever, even think about...I don't know, washing a plane for example...

One of those (was a girl actually)...when I asked her to give a hand to some fellow pilots washing a Cessna 150 by a great summer afternoon, she answered something like (she was speaking french)..."**** no!....that's no Ferrari here..." And that's a fact too.

I had 4 particular friends, and out of 5, I was the only one who loved GA. The others would consider it as a necessary evil and loss of time.

Took me some time to get them to see the beauty of it.

But in the end they keep joking at me because I don't plan on having an ATPL.

And in a way I consider that they are guilty too. When pilots start loosing
the real feel for aviation, that's no wonder if Airline's management start loosing it too.

Having a plutocratic management, you'll get plutocratic pilots.
And it works the other way around too.

And that's a down spin I'm not willing to take.

Just give me a nice little plane, with nice surrounding peoples in a nice place, with some nice pubs all around, and I'll be fine.


Hope I made my point clearer this time .I'm not saying I'll work for free or with Chinese rated wages.I'm just happy to see a place where aviation ain't completely asepticized yet.


Cheers everyone

[training wheels]

Originally Posted by Turban

Hope I made my point clearer this time .I'm not saying I'll work for free or with Chinese rated wages.

Cheers everyone

Mate, you don't know what you're talking about. Some of my expat mates working in China are earning pretty good money.

[Turban]

Oh come on !

You're playing with the words mate. I do know you can get good money working in China, that was just a figure of speech. What would you have me say? Indonesians rates? Africans? Anything you want as long as you get my point.

I've been on my own for a while now, I even run my own bizness (not in aviation of course ), I know I'd make better money out of an another job than flying but...

Well, right now, money is just not everything to me.

And you should be thankfull for that, because if it was, I would have been to College, and would have join the Qantas management team and I would have k*c* your grown-up a**



Come on guys, cheer up.

Better try to live a dream against all odds than just let the odds get you down.
Otherwise we are all already dead waiting for old age to come, and I don't see the fun it that.

And maybe we ,all of us, as pilots, could get things better instead of just peaking at each other right?

Cheers, and promise, if I meet some of you guys up there, the first round'll be on me.

Now that's gotta to cheer you up

[Turban]

And you commentary is one corker of a revelation.

Thanks for sharing, you blow my mind.

Now why don't you just let us kids wind-up all we want huh?

If this thread ain't good enought for you then just don't come down here

If you're sad about something, that's sad, but that cynical attitude won't get you nowhere.

[psycho joe]

Must be a French thing ?

[Dougie Buckets]

7 years on, what are you doing with yourself now Turban? You get that fancy 210 yet?
Dougie