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Good on this CP for trying to educate a few people. But don't take it personally. With 170 resumes you need to make a short list. Back in my GA time I spent much time behind a desk sorting through resumes of potential pilots for my CP.
So to make a short list out of 170 resumes, this is how I'd do it! Straight up, I'd cut the 100 that don't have a 'H' licence (which takes half a day because you are sorting through a tree worth of paper or an inbox of emails!). Obviously in this case the 'H' licence is something pertinent to that particular job. Now lets say of that last 70, 40 applicants have Cessna 206 time, then they go to the top of the pile. Time for lunch! Then of those forty you spend spend the rest of the day trying to find how many hours each one has and whether the experience is charter or hire and fly time. Might cut down the list to 30 by the end of the day for various reasons. Beer time. The next day, and by this time sick of reading resumes, I'd start to look more closely at the 30. By morning tea I would have cut that list down to 15 for many of the resons this AAA Cp has. I'd then put forward that 15 to the CP and he'd look through them and ring those who he deemed appropriate.
Those who didn't get a call would often call the office asking about their application. We'd basically do what this guy has done where required. It was in order to help them long term. If a pilot didn't have hours on his/her resume we'd explain that this is one of the things we need to know. If it was 10 pages long we'd explain that they should cut it down and direct it toward the skills and attributes need for a particular job. We would often get applicants thank us and reapply. Some would get a job simply because they listened, changed their resume (and in some cases attitude), and didn't give up.
So some of the 170 applicants will get angry and say this guy is a smart arse, and move on to look elsewhere for work. Some will go out and get a 'H' licence and reapply. Some will check and change their resume for next time, learning from what this guy has written. What is certain is that there will always be someone willing to do what it takes to get these jobs. Its all about choice.
Thats my say...
FMC.
So to make a short list out of 170 resumes, this is how I'd do it! Straight up, I'd cut the 100 that don't have a 'H' licence (which takes half a day because you are sorting through a tree worth of paper or an inbox of emails!). Obviously in this case the 'H' licence is something pertinent to that particular job. Now lets say of that last 70, 40 applicants have Cessna 206 time, then they go to the top of the pile. Time for lunch! Then of those forty you spend spend the rest of the day trying to find how many hours each one has and whether the experience is charter or hire and fly time. Might cut down the list to 30 by the end of the day for various reasons. Beer time. The next day, and by this time sick of reading resumes, I'd start to look more closely at the 30. By morning tea I would have cut that list down to 15 for many of the resons this AAA Cp has. I'd then put forward that 15 to the CP and he'd look through them and ring those who he deemed appropriate.
Those who didn't get a call would often call the office asking about their application. We'd basically do what this guy has done where required. It was in order to help them long term. If a pilot didn't have hours on his/her resume we'd explain that this is one of the things we need to know. If it was 10 pages long we'd explain that they should cut it down and direct it toward the skills and attributes need for a particular job. We would often get applicants thank us and reapply. Some would get a job simply because they listened, changed their resume (and in some cases attitude), and didn't give up.
So some of the 170 applicants will get angry and say this guy is a smart arse, and move on to look elsewhere for work. Some will go out and get a 'H' licence and reapply. Some will check and change their resume for next time, learning from what this guy has written. What is certain is that there will always be someone willing to do what it takes to get these jobs. Its all about choice.
Thats my say...
FMC.
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The CP's response was a bit nicer than mine, which would have been NIL. If you can't spell, can't read and can't answer basic questions, how the **** am I suppose to trust you with a 150'000 aircraft.
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Poor Young Gun,
sounds like someone needs a hug!
Should have been around in the 90's when "piss off" was the usual reply. I am sure the CP has better things to do than reply to all applicants but has done so WITH some good advice as how to better your chances of getting a position.
I really cannot see how you could take any of the advice he offered with such negativity and anger. I guess the flying school you where at only told you of the big shiny jet job you will get with your CPL licence. Then again, GEN Y have all the answers and refuse to entertain the voice of reason from those more experienced.
Don't bother with GA, J* cadetship is calling all you 200 hr experts. Strap on your uniform and take a trip down to the mall, that will give you a buck up!
sounds like someone needs a hug!
Should have been around in the 90's when "piss off" was the usual reply. I am sure the CP has better things to do than reply to all applicants but has done so WITH some good advice as how to better your chances of getting a position.
I really cannot see how you could take any of the advice he offered with such negativity and anger. I guess the flying school you where at only told you of the big shiny jet job you will get with your CPL licence. Then again, GEN Y have all the answers and refuse to entertain the voice of reason from those more experienced.
Don't bother with GA, J* cadetship is calling all you 200 hr experts. Strap on your uniform and take a trip down to the mall, that will give you a buck up!
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Context to the trip north.
Hmmm, how dare "that" CP give constructive feedback, what cheek
Anyway, I will be looking at going north (NT wise) in search of that illusive first gig early next year. I know what the wet season is as I have been to TSV and Cairns many a time. What I dont have is context.
From the BOM site:
Parts of the North-Queensland coast also receive significant rainfall throughout the cooler months. In the Top-End of the NT, the Bureau considers the wet season as being from 1 October to 30 April, while in some other parts of tropical Australia, particularly in WA, the wet months are often only from about January to March.
All good with that one, but......When should I look at arriving up there in order to start spreading the good word? Is mid March about right or is that too late?
thanks.
Anyway, I will be looking at going north (NT wise) in search of that illusive first gig early next year. I know what the wet season is as I have been to TSV and Cairns many a time. What I dont have is context.
From the BOM site:
Parts of the North-Queensland coast also receive significant rainfall throughout the cooler months. In the Top-End of the NT, the Bureau considers the wet season as being from 1 October to 30 April, while in some other parts of tropical Australia, particularly in WA, the wet months are often only from about January to March.
All good with that one, but......When should I look at arriving up there in order to start spreading the good word? Is mid March about right or is that too late?
thanks.
Depends on where you are going.
If you are talking WA and Kununurra in particular, you may not get hired until July and even then, your employment will finish up usually around September for the first season. If you arrive any later than March, you may leave yourself short missing the boat.
The reason being Pilot groups are formed at the backpackers, the CP usually has his cronies and hangers on licking his boots and plying him with beer. These guys tend to think they are above the others and will exclude anyone other than the chosen few to the best of their ability. The methods they will go to, and the bitching, rumour mongering and character defamation can be extreme to say the least. The new coming Pilots tend to keep a loose order of seniority from who arrived in town the first and who arrived last. The nickers do get a little twisted when new comers get a check ride and employment before a more 'senior' towny. You can bet you will lose your drinking buddies at gulivers when this happens. Once however you are on the other side (gainfully employed) the Pilots are pretty chilled out, they don't buy into the BS at the backpackers and are more interested in bitching about the particular company they work for (surprise surprise, it never finished from your first job on).
I'd suggest getting to town as early as you can and trying to become part of the network as soon as you can. Keep below the radar, avoid the boot lickers but don't go out of your way to cause trouble with them either.
If you are talking WA and Kununurra in particular, you may not get hired until July and even then, your employment will finish up usually around September for the first season. If you arrive any later than March, you may leave yourself short missing the boat.
The reason being Pilot groups are formed at the backpackers, the CP usually has his cronies and hangers on licking his boots and plying him with beer. These guys tend to think they are above the others and will exclude anyone other than the chosen few to the best of their ability. The methods they will go to, and the bitching, rumour mongering and character defamation can be extreme to say the least. The new coming Pilots tend to keep a loose order of seniority from who arrived in town the first and who arrived last. The nickers do get a little twisted when new comers get a check ride and employment before a more 'senior' towny. You can bet you will lose your drinking buddies at gulivers when this happens. Once however you are on the other side (gainfully employed) the Pilots are pretty chilled out, they don't buy into the BS at the backpackers and are more interested in bitching about the particular company they work for (surprise surprise, it never finished from your first job on).
I'd suggest getting to town as early as you can and trying to become part of the network as soon as you can. Keep below the radar, avoid the boot lickers but don't go out of your way to cause trouble with them either.
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baron...that is indeed Steve Manners, can't remember how long he stuck around for.
The aircraft in the background are no longer around. MRZ, the 337, was 'stolen' by a Murchos employee and crashed on takeoff after he dropped into Lake King for a beer!
The Mooney, DXT, crashed on approach into Melita Station, killing both on board.
The aircraft in the background are no longer around. MRZ, the 337, was 'stolen' by a Murchos employee and crashed on takeoff after he dropped into Lake King for a beer!
The Mooney, DXT, crashed on approach into Melita Station, killing both on board.
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the CP usually has his cronies and hangers on licking his boots and plying him with beer. These guys tend to think they are above the others and will exclude anyone other than the chosen few to the best of their ability. The methods they will go to, and the bitching, rumour mongering and character defamation can be extreme to say the least. The new coming Pilots tend to keep a loose order of seniority from who arrived in town the first and who arrived last.
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No exaggeration, merely a simplification. This from their application process:
Our skills assessment team will take you carefully through the process (which can take up to a total of 2 days) which you will certainly enjoy and learn about yourself irrespective of the final result. At the same time you will also learn more about us first hand at our training centre. There is a total fee of $500 for the skills assessment process made up of: $300 for day 1 and another $200 if you progress to day 2.
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which you will certainly enjoy and learn about yourself
Last time I checked though $500 still bought a lot of beer down the pub and I've certainly managed to enjoy myself there... might have even learned something about myself too (Chartreuse, tequila, southern comfort and beer aren't a good combo in the during or after phases for example)
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Great grammar goofs!
He told ABC radio it should be days and not weeks before the aircraft were declared ready for
fly again."On three of the engines what we have found is
slight anomalies. Oil where oil shouldn't be on the engines and we are just trying to check, what could the cause of that could be, "Mr Joyce said"These are new engines on new aircraft, they shouldn't have these issues at this stage so it's given us an indication of an area for us to focus into.
"It's too early for us to say what components or parts of the engine we think could have been the issue."
Qantas spokeswoman Olivia Wirth said two of the Rolls-Royce built engines were in Los Angeles.
"There are some engines being subject to further tests, but in line with normal procedure," Ms Wirth told ABC radio today.
"In Los Angeles, there are two other engines that have been removed and we've been inspecting those.
But this is, actually, common practice. It's how you can make sure that you're doing the right investigation."Ms Wirth said the airline has passengers delayed in Los Angeles, despite still running a daily services operating
to LA and London."We still do have daily services operating there. We still have a 747 fleet they're flying with,” Ms Wirth said.
"We are doing our best to get passengers stuck in LA home
and everyone that as in Singapore has now touched down in Sydney," she said.Qantas A380 Rolls-Royce built engines undergoing more tests
- From: AAP
- November 08, 2010 12:17PM
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Young Gun,
Just remember
The feet you step on today
Could be connected to the legs that hold up the arse that you might have to kiss tomorow.
In this industry you will have to learn to take your EGO being shattered from time to time.
The truth hurts,Take it on board and build from it
It can only make you a beter person for it
Just remember
The feet you step on today
Could be connected to the legs that hold up the arse that you might have to kiss tomorow.
In this industry you will have to learn to take your EGO being shattered from time to time.
The truth hurts,Take it on board and build from it
It can only make you a beter person for it
gotsta put my 2 bob in!
this is aimed at all you new cpl holders/ace fighter pilots, if you are not prepared to sweep the hangar or wash a plane then please do not bother to apply! if you have to drive a bus to get ya bum in a seat, DRIVE THE DAMN BUS!
back when i was a new cpl holder i thought i knew everything.....it wasn't until i got my first flying job that i discovered i knew absolutely jack sh#t about commercial flying!
take the man's advice, along with a slice of humble pie! and go and get some real world experience.....after all that you can come back and apologize for being such a twit!
that is all!!!
this is aimed at all you new cpl holders/ace fighter pilots, if you are not prepared to sweep the hangar or wash a plane then please do not bother to apply! if you have to drive a bus to get ya bum in a seat, DRIVE THE DAMN BUS!
back when i was a new cpl holder i thought i knew everything.....it wasn't until i got my first flying job that i discovered i knew absolutely jack sh#t about commercial flying!
take the man's advice, along with a slice of humble pie! and go and get some real world experience.....after all that you can come back and apologize for being such a twit!
that is all!!!
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Reply to post 69.
I wish someone had given me this advice 30 years ago when touring the outback for my first job.
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