Jetstar Cadetship??
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Obviously you are very new to aviation because no one has completed this course. It has only just begun. The first "cadets"(obviously this title only applies to those who are accepted for employment by Jetstar) wont complete their course until late 2011 early 2012.
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napier the term "boi" generally means the woman who wears the pants in a lesbian relationship. Although I'm not sure if pugboi knows this.
I don't know why I bother dealing with trolls but since you asked for me to "get it straight" (pun intended I'm sure), here you go.
Jetstar Cadet program, the earliest internet based article.
http://australianaviation.com.au/201...-pilot-scheme/
Note this caption:
And also:
So ask again in 12 months... Like I said.
Hopefully this is ample time for you to learn to think before you speak your ignorant mind.
I don't know why I bother dealing with trolls but since you asked for me to "get it straight" (pun intended I'm sure), here you go.
Jetstar Cadet program, the earliest internet based article.
http://australianaviation.com.au/201...-pilot-scheme/
Note this caption:
The program will accept its first intake of pilot candidates in July 2010,
... the 18 month long Ab-initio Cadet Program for candidates who have little or no flying experience...
Hopefully this is ample time for you to learn to think before you speak your ignorant mind.
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Having had a few 'cadets' on the jumpseat now I can confirm that the first intake are at Jetstar now. This first lot though are not ab-initio but already hold basic CPL/IR when joining. Overall a nice bunch of guys, it is not a great deal, but looking back to when I popped out of the sausage factory if someone had offered me $42,000 per year to fly a nice big shiny jet instead of going around the country and eventually the world in seach of employment, I would have said 'yes' as well.
You're absolutely right AH, as would most of us. But they don't know any better, as we probably didn't know much better all those years ago. What seriously concerns me however is just how low the bar has now been set. I continue to be blown away by the low pay and appalling conditions 
, but I have a deeper fear for what the longer term socio-economic results will be. Not just for these people, but for the profession as a whole.
Financially stressed, resonably intelligent (albeit naive), and socially isolated individuals in the cockpit of an airliner with upwards from 180 people on board, is surely a recipe for disaster.
I said it in a previous thread. Jetstar Management, HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FREAK'N MINDS!!!
, but I have a deeper fear for what the longer term socio-economic results will be. Not just for these people, but for the profession as a whole. Financially stressed, resonably intelligent (albeit naive), and socially isolated individuals in the cockpit of an airliner with upwards from 180 people on board, is surely a recipe for disaster.
I said it in a previous thread. Jetstar Management, HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FREAK'N MINDS!!!
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I think the best thing about this thread is that I've now been made aware of the lovely little Peugeot 504. Thanks An3!
There's one for sale for $4000 on an online auction... very tempted.
There's one for sale for $4000 on an online auction... very tempted.
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Think very carefully....
...However, subject to that and there being no change to Jetstar’s recruitment plans, you will be offered a job with the airline on successful completion of the program"
- Crewing are here one day...outsourced to Manila the next,
- Pilots are EBA one day...SIN and NZ contractors the next,
- Pilots are seniority listed one day...trounced by direct A330 FO and A320 CAPTs the next,
- Cabin crew are AUS one day...foreign labour operating domestically on 17-22 hours shifts the next,
- AUS Cabin crew on an award one day...employed casually the next, and
...the list just keeps go on, and on, and on and you cannot plan for your future or your security. The writing on the wall is a very long list, and something is going to break soon. You would be crazy to join in the current climate.
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I'm asking can anyone that has gone though the testing process to give information about the selection process and what needs to be focused on if you plan on getting past the stages??
Please just help out....i think we all got the F**KEN point after 2 threads have been locked, lets not make this a 3rd.
Please just help out....i think we all got the F**KEN point after 2 threads have been locked, lets not make this a 3rd.
In fact it would be better if the thread was locked simply so you don't receive an answer.
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peugeoboi, you wrote (my bolding)
reads to me that you want to get through, not great but ok.
then you wrote
Where is your head at now, assuming your seeing the light and withdrawing your application for the cadetship?
I'm asking can anyone that has gone though the testing process to give information about the selection process and what needs to be focused on if you plan on getting past the stages??
then you wrote
Mr Guru..I rate that!!! nicely said.
And to any of you old sentimental guys who reckon this is the end for your working and pay conditions it really isn't,
How can a turbo prop pilot argue for a pay rise when you will fly a larger aircraft for less?
I bet you turn into one of those guys who bitches when he is passed over for command because he doesn't have the hours for an ATPL yet.
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tobz92, I've made my views clear before on the subject, but I'm a gen Y-er, I want things now, I don't always put the effort in I should, etc etc, but the Jetstar cadetship makes me literally feel physically sick. When I started looking into the details and started to think about what it might mean for the industry here I actually felt quite upset.
Please don't make it a generational thing.
Please don't make it a generational thing.
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speaking from experience try being a safety pilot for one of the j* cadets...a f%$@# experience within an experience coming into land...for a second there thought we were landing on an aircraft carrier
....they know the aircraft systems etc...I FEEL for these TRIs....
....they know the aircraft systems etc...I FEEL for these TRIs....
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And to any of you old sentimental guys who reckon this is the end for your working and pay conditions it really isn't, your all just jealous such a course was never around when you started out, and people such as myself wont have to 'tough it out in GA' for 5 odd years to get their hours up. And many of you have this polluted mindset that flying pieces of junk in remote locations, for next to nothing pay, is the only way to make it to the airlines.
Make sure you tell your captain this if you eventually make it to an airbus. Xbox, f@cebook and Ray Bans don't count when the ****e hits the fan and you've got to drag something out of the experience bank to get the job done. Your captain will really enjoy his 18 year old F-O from YMEN rolling up in to a ball and a two-pilot operation turning single-pilot when the rare moment of terror occurs.
I can just imagine some of the conversations on the flight deck:
Captain: "Anything interesting happen in your career so far?"
Cadet: "Yeah, well one day I had to like land a 182 on my solo CPL exercise in like a 15 knot crosswind".
Pregnant pause.
Cadet: "So, like, did you see what Justin Beiber posted on twi tter?"
Pregnant pause all the rest of the way to Darwin.
To the others on this forum who actually command respect, don't make this a generational battle. I'm a Gen Y'er too, but I don't subscribe to the rubbish this troll is dishing up.
Airline cadetships can have pros and cons (excluding the JQ program - mostly cons), but cadets with poor attitudes are only a con to the flight deck.
I really hope Tobz is a wind-up.
P.S. If not, learn when to use 'your' and 'their' properly.
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"tobz" and "peugeotboi?"
Just curious but say you were able to do your CPL and MECIR for $50k whilst living at home with your parents, which would take you 12 months. Then if I guaranteed you a job flying a 206 for 12 months earning the award (more than a cadet from what I read) and you did 700 hours. Then after that 12 months I you could get a job on a C310 for 18 months earning $47k and you did 800 - 1000 hours in that time. After 3 and a half years (if your age is correct you would then be around 22yo) you would have say 1700 total, 1500 command and 800 multi command, an ATPL, a lot of single pilot IF and night hours etc. Then what if you could apply direct to (name airline of choice) and start earning $90k+
If I could guarantee you that it would happen exactly like that, would you take that option or still do the cadetship? If you said yes I'll take the GA option then guess what, that is actually how it happens for motivated people who work hard..!
You might even have a ****load of fun along the way, drink piss with all sorts of characters, slay birds from exotic places, have to make some painful command decisions and learn from them, and when you finish up in a jet have some respect from your peers.
Harden up you lazy spoilt ****s.
Just curious but say you were able to do your CPL and MECIR for $50k whilst living at home with your parents, which would take you 12 months. Then if I guaranteed you a job flying a 206 for 12 months earning the award (more than a cadet from what I read) and you did 700 hours. Then after that 12 months I you could get a job on a C310 for 18 months earning $47k and you did 800 - 1000 hours in that time. After 3 and a half years (if your age is correct you would then be around 22yo) you would have say 1700 total, 1500 command and 800 multi command, an ATPL, a lot of single pilot IF and night hours etc. Then what if you could apply direct to (name airline of choice) and start earning $90k+
If I could guarantee you that it would happen exactly like that, would you take that option or still do the cadetship? If you said yes I'll take the GA option then guess what, that is actually how it happens for motivated people who work hard..!
You might even have a ****load of fun along the way, drink piss with all sorts of characters, slay birds from exotic places, have to make some painful command decisions and learn from them, and when you finish up in a jet have some respect from your peers.
Harden up you lazy spoilt ****s.
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And for the record on these highly anonymous forums, the cadets that I know (QANTAS) are ripper blokes and probably have better manipulative skills and theoretical knowledge than me so obviously the selection process works. They arent accepting $35k salaries either so it's a little different.
I'm only at the start of my career so don't want to sound like a know it all, but all my peers that took the GA path have had similar experiences to what I described. Stop stuffing it up for the rest of us.
I'm only at the start of my career so don't want to sound like a know it all, but all my peers that took the GA path have had similar experiences to what I described. Stop stuffing it up for the rest of us.
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tobz92_ymen
Your attitude is sh*t. I am embarrassed to be a Gen Y with your comments.
Do you get to wear 3 bars like the other guys?I hope not - hopefully you're weeded out sooner than later.
Enjoy flying the line - at ymen.
Your attitude is sh*t. I am embarrassed to be a Gen Y with your comments.
Do you get to wear 3 bars like the other guys?I hope not - hopefully you're weeded out sooner than later.
Enjoy flying the line - at ymen.
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If I could guarantee you that it would happen exactly like that, would you take that option or still do the cadetship? If you said yes I'll take the GA option then guess what, that is actually how it happens for motivated people who work hard..!
Sorry I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start anything here. It's a genuine question. How many (lets say, percentage wise) hard working guys n gals out there who go through flying training and then the industry whether it be through GA, instructing or other such as overseas... actually end up on a good job with good pay and Ts&Cs that are worthy of what they do, and not get paid less than a servo clerk?
reason I ask is I've got this impression (I'm new to the industry) that unfortunately only a low percentage of pilots ever make it to the front of a jet and get paid what they're worth... some give up, and find a non-flying job with better pay... others continue battling in GA on pistons working 6-7 days a week (even though I love flying I'd hate to work more than 5days a week. I have a life as well) for crappy pay... or for some underpaid RPT regional op?
Can someone just enlighten me here?