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In Airlines 4 bars is jet Captain, 3 bars Jet F/O [or turboprop Captain in some
If you were to go back pre-Abeles et al (before he instigated the "lots of bars so the passengers get a feel good feeling about things" ..
initial F/O - 1 bar
F/O after either a year or two years (can't recall now) - 2 bars
initial captain (F27) - 2˝ bars
captain after a year - 3 bars (below 60,000lb if I recall correctly)
captain - 4 bars (above 60,000lb)
plus a gold star for management pilots (always raises a chuckle)
plus scrambled egg for senior management pilots/20 years in category
.. now, I gather, it's mucho gold bars once one has gone solo on a C150 at 5 hours total flying time ?
If you were to go back pre-Abeles et al (before he instigated the "lots of bars so the passengers get a feel good feeling about things" ..
initial F/O - 1 bar
F/O after either a year or two years (can't recall now) - 2 bars
initial captain (F27) - 2˝ bars
captain after a year - 3 bars (below 60,000lb if I recall correctly)
captain - 4 bars (above 60,000lb)
plus a gold star for management pilots (always raises a chuckle)
plus scrambled egg for senior management pilots/20 years in category
.. now, I gather, it's mucho gold bars once one has gone solo on a C150 at 5 hours total flying time ?
"JR' that's Gold!
Been on RSVP & there ain't no 'spinnerless' gals like that on there!
I can't believe the attention this thread is getting re dress code. If any ATO really is concerned then their mind is not on the job !
Wmk2
Been on RSVP & there ain't no 'spinnerless' gals like that on there!
I can't believe the attention this thread is getting re dress code. If any ATO really is concerned then their mind is not on the job !
Wmk2
There's only one bar that i worry about.......and it ain't on my shoulders!!
Goblin you are a dill.
No where in the criteria for ANY flight test is there a section on personal presentation.
As an ex ATO and FOI, I would suggest you would not have your approvals/delegations very long if you tried to impose your ideas of dress standards.
No where in the criteria for ANY flight test is there a section on personal presentation.
As an ex ATO and FOI, I would suggest you would not have your approvals/delegations very long if you tried to impose your ideas of dress standards.
GWAS,
Keep up the good work
More critical than all this palaver about optional uniform clobber and accoutrements, for most on the job hunt or in training is how to prepare for interviews, formal or informal. Giving thought to getting the grooming right, to dress sense,
to deportment and generally presenting yourself in the best light you can .
Like it or not, if you cannot show that you fit the mould reasonably well your chances are slim. (Actors deficient in the leg department never auditioned well for the role of Tarzan. Likewise, would be commercial pilots, badly dressed, toothless, cross eyed, bandy legged, reeking of BO and paint-stripping halitosis, dusted with dandruff and afflicted with speech impediments have found few openings.)
Herewith an extract of tips from Clark Aviation Consulting's website -
The aviation industry is time driven and performance measures are based on timeliness. Allow yourself plenty of time to arrive at the location, just in case you have any difficulties that morning. Ideally, you want to arrive 10 minutes prior to your scheduled appointment. If you happen to arrive too early, visit the restroom for a bit of relaxation techniques such as slow, deep breathing.
Manners:
Always be courteous and polite to everyone you meet - you never know who has what influence.
Appearance:
Dress the part of your position. Many pilot employers are deeply conservative bunch. A few points regarding appearance: neatly groom and cut your hair, above the collar for men; press your clothes; shine your shoes; wear conservative colours. Bottom line, ask yourself if you look
neat, relaxed and quietly confident.
Handshake:
A weak handshake is a pet peeve of many people. How do you shake someone’s hand? Are you a limp fish or a solid, firm grip? A weak handshake can imply lack of confidence or even a condescending attitude. Similar to kissing someone’s hand or the Queen’s ring. A firm grip will display self-confidence and respect for the person’s hand that you are shaking. Practice with friends and family – ask them to comment on your grip…. . You need to know what kind of “shaker” you are.
Follow these simple steps to shake someone’s hand properly.
1. Extend your right hand to meet the other person's right hand.
2. Point your thumb upward toward the other person's arm and extend your arm at a slight downward angle.
3. Wrap your hand around the other person's hand when your thumb joints come together.
4. Grasp the hand firmly and squeeze gently once. Remember that limp handshakes are a big turnoff, as are bone-crushing grasps.
5. Hold the handshake for 2 to 3 seconds.
6. Pump your hand up and down a few times to convey sincerity. (This gesture is optional.)
Note: A two-handed handshake is not for first meetings. It is a sign of real affection, and you should reserve it for friends and intimates.
Excessive touching:
Some folks will actually touch others too much if they are confronted with an uncomfortable situation. You know the type, the person who constantly touches your arm as they shallowly laugh. This is plain and simple an invasion of space. It gives the receiver a sense of falseness about the other person. Obviously, this is not a good tactic in an interview.
*
Attitude:
Be positive. Attitudes show in everything you say and do, even if you think you are hiding it. Stay focused on where you are and what it means to you – this is a vital day for you!
*
Be open and relaxed:
Body language speaks louder than words so stand tall, sit upright (even if your interviewer is not) and face forward, make eye contact and smile. Actively relaxing will bring out your natural confidence.
*
Remember to turn off your phone.
Keep in mind that you only have one chance to create a first impression, a lasting impression that may affect the outcome of your interview. People remember how you make them feel – strive to make them feel relaxed and you will naturally relax yourself.
Lori Clark is the principal of Clark Aviation Consulting. As a former Manager of Pilot Recruiting for many years, she interviewed thousands of pilots and has an extensive knowledge of what pilot boards are looking for. Clark can help pilots understand what an interview board is looking for and how they are perceived. She offers simple but effective techniques that help pilots better present themselves for initial assessment.
to deportment and generally presenting yourself in the best light you can .
Like it or not, if you cannot show that you fit the mould reasonably well your chances are slim. (Actors deficient in the leg department never auditioned well for the role of Tarzan. Likewise, would be commercial pilots, badly dressed, toothless, cross eyed, bandy legged, reeking of BO and paint-stripping halitosis, dusted with dandruff and afflicted with speech impediments have found few openings.)
Herewith an extract of tips from Clark Aviation Consulting's website -
The aviation industry is time driven and performance measures are based on timeliness. Allow yourself plenty of time to arrive at the location, just in case you have any difficulties that morning. Ideally, you want to arrive 10 minutes prior to your scheduled appointment. If you happen to arrive too early, visit the restroom for a bit of relaxation techniques such as slow, deep breathing.
Manners:
Always be courteous and polite to everyone you meet - you never know who has what influence.
Appearance:
Dress the part of your position. Many pilot employers are deeply conservative bunch. A few points regarding appearance: neatly groom and cut your hair, above the collar for men; press your clothes; shine your shoes; wear conservative colours. Bottom line, ask yourself if you look
neat, relaxed and quietly confident.
Handshake:
A weak handshake is a pet peeve of many people. How do you shake someone’s hand? Are you a limp fish or a solid, firm grip? A weak handshake can imply lack of confidence or even a condescending attitude. Similar to kissing someone’s hand or the Queen’s ring. A firm grip will display self-confidence and respect for the person’s hand that you are shaking. Practice with friends and family – ask them to comment on your grip…. . You need to know what kind of “shaker” you are.
Follow these simple steps to shake someone’s hand properly.
1. Extend your right hand to meet the other person's right hand.
2. Point your thumb upward toward the other person's arm and extend your arm at a slight downward angle.
3. Wrap your hand around the other person's hand when your thumb joints come together.
4. Grasp the hand firmly and squeeze gently once. Remember that limp handshakes are a big turnoff, as are bone-crushing grasps.
5. Hold the handshake for 2 to 3 seconds.
6. Pump your hand up and down a few times to convey sincerity. (This gesture is optional.)
Note: A two-handed handshake is not for first meetings. It is a sign of real affection, and you should reserve it for friends and intimates.
Excessive touching:
Some folks will actually touch others too much if they are confronted with an uncomfortable situation. You know the type, the person who constantly touches your arm as they shallowly laugh. This is plain and simple an invasion of space. It gives the receiver a sense of falseness about the other person. Obviously, this is not a good tactic in an interview.
*
Attitude:
Be positive. Attitudes show in everything you say and do, even if you think you are hiding it. Stay focused on where you are and what it means to you – this is a vital day for you!
*
Be open and relaxed:
Body language speaks louder than words so stand tall, sit upright (even if your interviewer is not) and face forward, make eye contact and smile. Actively relaxing will bring out your natural confidence.
*
Remember to turn off your phone.
Keep in mind that you only have one chance to create a first impression, a lasting impression that may affect the outcome of your interview. People remember how you make them feel – strive to make them feel relaxed and you will naturally relax yourself.
Lori Clark is the principal of Clark Aviation Consulting. As a former Manager of Pilot Recruiting for many years, she interviewed thousands of pilots and has an extensive knowledge of what pilot boards are looking for. Clark can help pilots understand what an interview board is looking for and how they are perceived. She offers simple but effective techniques that help pilots better present themselves for initial assessment.
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Bugger me, what a lot of twaddle & palaver....
Dress comfortably -you need to be concentrating on the task in-hand and the aircraft rather than the chafing collar of your attire.
If you're not comfortable wearing wings & bars -don't. It's bloody simple. Keep in mind though that down the track, an employer may require you to wear wings & bars as a condition (uniform standard) of employment. That's without regard for of the opinion of Richard Cranium's et al on internet forae.
Bottom line: dress comfortably but appropriately. You don't need anyone holding your hand to explain that.
Act professionally. Treat the ATO as SLF in your dealings with him/her in and about the aircraft. If you cock-up, fess-up. As long as it's not a "1 strike, you're out" (FLWP) item, you'll get kudo's & another crack at it. Remember that for the purposes of the test, you ARE PinC. Behave appropriately.
oh yeah... empty your bladder as close as possible to walking out to the aircraft too -trust me, it'll help!
Dress comfortably -you need to be concentrating on the task in-hand and the aircraft rather than the chafing collar of your attire.
If you're not comfortable wearing wings & bars -don't. It's bloody simple. Keep in mind though that down the track, an employer may require you to wear wings & bars as a condition (uniform standard) of employment. That's without regard for of the opinion of Richard Cranium's et al on internet forae.
Bottom line: dress comfortably but appropriately. You don't need anyone holding your hand to explain that.
Act professionally. Treat the ATO as SLF in your dealings with him/her in and about the aircraft. If you cock-up, fess-up. As long as it's not a "1 strike, you're out" (FLWP) item, you'll get kudo's & another crack at it. Remember that for the purposes of the test, you ARE PinC. Behave appropriately.
oh yeah... empty your bladder as close as possible to walking out to the aircraft too -trust me, it'll help!
