Final F-111 dump & burn over Brisbane 0900z 100904
VH-XXX,
In one way you are correct ... there is definitely a chance that a nasty even might happen during an F-111 exhibition.
However, and it's a big however .... we, the public have accepted that risk, knowing that it's quite small and that the most probable outcome ... a spectacular sight ... is worth taking that risk.
We take these risks every day, walking out the door. There's a possibility that I might get hit by a truck as I try and cross this busy road. But, I'll accept that small risk, if it means I'll most probably get to the bus stop and get to work.
It's called life.
In one way you are correct ... there is definitely a chance that a nasty even might happen during an F-111 exhibition.
However, and it's a big however .... we, the public have accepted that risk, knowing that it's quite small and that the most probable outcome ... a spectacular sight ... is worth taking that risk.
We take these risks every day, walking out the door. There's a possibility that I might get hit by a truck as I try and cross this busy road. But, I'll accept that small risk, if it means I'll most probably get to the bus stop and get to work.
It's called life.
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geez ... all i wanted was 125.7 or 125.6 :-|
btw i thought i overheard a member of the flying ADF saying kero in the center tanks was used for the D&B's for greater effect ...
btw i thought i overheard a member of the flying ADF saying kero in the center tanks was used for the D&B's for greater effect ...
25 year old pilot with 500 hours in his log book who is lucky to clock 100 hours a year had plenty of sleep the night before and that the apprentice RAAF engineer that signed off on the aircraft after a big night on the turps did his job properly.
VIs post is accurate, if a little arrogant in that last line. Risk management is conducted broardly throughout the organisation and specifically for each sortie. Every person and every machine can stuff up as you have stated, the RAAF is not immune. I must say the RAAF is much better at this sort of thing than the air arms of the other two services.
The Roulettes are picked from the CFS and average 4000 hours (a lot for an RAAF Pilot). Maintenence of RAAF aircraft is conducted by both civil and RAAF personel and is very thorough, although RAAF aircraft rarely meet civil airworthyness standards.
For riverfire they would have developed a standard set of "actions on" SOPs for various possible emergencies and practiced them ad nauseum both in the sim and in the air (probably hundreds of hours). They do this so that if there is a terminal emergency of some kind they can take such action so as to ensure nil/min loss of life or damage to property. Tey also adjust the flight profile to ensure that such options will exist. Natrually there are not many options when operating 200AGL, supersonic on TFR at night, hence the high loss rate.
So yes, it is still a risk, but in my opinion it is a well managed one. Personally I am glad they can still do this sort of thing. I wish I could be there
This thread is depressing.
Go live in a cave or something, I find it entirely unbelievable that people would genuinely argue against the incredible peril presented by a 1 g s&l flight manoeuvre. Airshow aerobatics pointed at the crowd, sure, I see the point, but a dump and burn?
Go live in a cave or something, I find it entirely unbelievable that people would genuinely argue against the incredible peril presented by a 1 g s&l flight manoeuvre. Airshow aerobatics pointed at the crowd, sure, I see the point, but a dump and burn?
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Always seems to be one wooze who complains. Paranoid about a dump and burn!? Glad you weren't in Sydney the other week when the Blackhawks with their new pilots where barrelling up and down Elizabeth St at lunch time. You would have been running for the shelters.
Better our taxes being spent on this than piss ups for the fat pollies.
Better our taxes being spent on this than piss ups for the fat pollies.
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Fencehopper, Go you good thing !
VH XXX obviously doesn't live in Townsville, if he/she did then he/she would run screaming for the fallout shelters every time the Blackhawks barelled around the city at rooftop level. As far as I am concerned if people up north around Townsville such as The Townsville Refueller and Bob Katter aint trying to ban RAAF shennannigans then neither should anyone else.
A pig flown by a young buck above the Brisbane river is still a hell of a lot less risky than a lot of the other dodgy crap that goes on within aviation..
'Safe Pigs For All'......
VH XXX obviously doesn't live in Townsville, if he/she did then he/she would run screaming for the fallout shelters every time the Blackhawks barelled around the city at rooftop level. As far as I am concerned if people up north around Townsville such as The Townsville Refueller and Bob Katter aint trying to ban RAAF shennannigans then neither should anyone else.
A pig flown by a young buck above the Brisbane river is still a hell of a lot less risky than a lot of the other dodgy crap that goes on within aviation..
'Safe Pigs For All'......
Don't forget to wrap yourself in cotton wool balls and pillows so you don't get hurt when the F111s crash.
Can't believe the thoughts here. One of the coolest shows that people get to witness, and the 2nd post is all about safety. Live a little people. I'm sure it wouldn't be done if it wasn't remotely safe. Like they said get a tin hat Airtourer.
Did the original poster get his radio freq question answered? I can't help, been overseas too long, playing with scary thunderstorms. Oops, been flying within 2 nm of them, wrap me in cotton wool and feed me to the gods for I have sinned yet had fun doing it...
Can't believe the thoughts here. One of the coolest shows that people get to witness, and the 2nd post is all about safety. Live a little people. I'm sure it wouldn't be done if it wasn't remotely safe. Like they said get a tin hat Airtourer.
Did the original poster get his radio freq question answered? I can't help, been overseas too long, playing with scary thunderstorms. Oops, been flying within 2 nm of them, wrap me in cotton wool and feed me to the gods for I have sinned yet had fun doing it...
geez ... all i wanted was 125.7 or 125.6 :-|
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xxx Where were you, I couldn't spot you tonight?
3 dump and burns, great show especially number 2.
3 dump and burns, great show especially number 2.
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Was there megle but with my tin hat and sunglasses I was hard to spot.
Anything to get out of Victorias weather at the moment!
PS All, I was whinging about the Roulettes from the start, not the 111's if you read back!
Anything to get out of Victorias weather at the moment!
PS All, I was whinging about the Roulettes from the start, not the 111's if you read back!
Imagine a civil operator getting CASA approval for this