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TUNNABUM
Knowing Les, contrary to what you are implying, everything would have been done in the approved manner.
Who the F are you to suggest anything else.
As for the seating arrangements I was being facetious.
As far as the Marine Pilot not flying, how the F can you assure me of that when the official report hasn't come out. My god man it could have been on auto land for all you know and they were all in the back knocking down G and Ts.
I have looked your previous posts on other threads, you seem to want to find controversy in aircraft accidents.
BH
Knowing Les, contrary to what you are implying, everything would have been done in the approved manner.
Who the F are you to suggest anything else.
As for the seating arrangements I was being facetious.
As far as the Marine Pilot not flying, how the F can you assure me of that when the official report hasn't come out. My god man it could have been on auto land for all you know and they were all in the back knocking down G and Ts.
I have looked your previous posts on other threads, you seem to want to find controversy in aircraft accidents.
BH
Last edited by blackhand; 13th September 2010 at 03:53. Reason: had more to say
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From: The Wild West... and Oz
There is no doubt who was in the cockpit that day, period.
Forget the fact that Darren told me he would be flying it back with Les, forget the fact that Darren was an CASA PNG FOI and that he would not be in the front on a charter flight (first leg), forget the fact that when the bodies were recovered from the wreck evidence was taken regarding where they were found, but, it is pretty conclusive when the surviving Co-Pilot explains to the company what happened.
"Blinkered view" I don't think so. Just the facts as related by those who DO know.
Forget the fact that Darren told me he would be flying it back with Les, forget the fact that Darren was an CASA PNG FOI and that he would not be in the front on a charter flight (first leg), forget the fact that when the bodies were recovered from the wreck evidence was taken regarding where they were found, but, it is pretty conclusive when the surviving Co-Pilot explains to the company what happened.
"Blinkered view" I don't think so. Just the facts as related by those who DO know.
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From: Oz Trailer
Blackhand,
Now I don't know when you are being serious or "facetious" in what you are saying! If you are being serious about the marine pilot I suggest you do some research on what a marine pilot is - you may be suprised.
All I've basically said on this thread is to keep an open mind and wait for the outcome of the investigations. If that hits a raw nerve........?
TB
Now I don't know when you are being serious or "facetious" in what you are saying! If you are being serious about the marine pilot I suggest you do some research on what a marine pilot is - you may be suprised.
All I've basically said on this thread is to keep an open mind and wait for the outcome of the investigations. If that hits a raw nerve........?
TB
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TB
One crew member survived and I sure he has passed on to the investigators just who was at the controls at the time of the accident. The ATC tapes and the CVR will also be able to indicate who may have been flying the aircraft as well at the time of the accident.
Why should it be public knowledge at this point in time ? Let the investigators make this public at the appropriate time. I just hope politics don't get in the way of this investigation,as is usually the case up here.
One crew member survived and I sure he has passed on to the investigators just who was at the controls at the time of the accident. The ATC tapes and the CVR will also be able to indicate who may have been flying the aircraft as well at the time of the accident.
Why should it be public knowledge at this point in time ? Let the investigators make this public at the appropriate time. I just hope politics don't get in the way of this investigation,as is usually the case up here.
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From: Oz Trailer
WW,
Thanks for the civil post.
I agree with everything you say.
For the record, I've never suggested "it" should be made public and I've never even named names. Everyone else seems to be doing that and stating they know who was sitting where. Then getting shirty with me when I say we should all just wait and see what the investigation tells us.
TB
Thanks for the civil post.
I agree with everything you say.
For the record, I've never suggested "it" should be made public and I've never even named names. Everyone else seems to be doing that and stating they know who was sitting where. Then getting shirty with me when I say we should all just wait and see what the investigation tells us.
TB
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.......and stating they know who was sitting where. Then getting shirty with me........
do some research on what a marine pilot is - you may be suprised.
BH
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From: The Burrow, N53:48:02 W1:48:57, The Tin Tent - EGBS, EGBO
Blackhand I happen to agree with you. What Tuna seems incapable of realising is that his insistence that he wants to know now who was sitting where is extremely upsetting to those of us who knew one or more of those on board. So, Tuna, for those of us who are still feeling very raw and upset please give up this quest now and do as you have eventually come around to advocating - WAIT. All will eventually be revealed.
Muddergoose, thank you for the account, I wish I hadn't read that people were alive when it burst into flames and had been left with my fond hope that the rest had been killed on impact, but that is not your fault, I chose to read it. RIP Darren and the others.
Muddergoose, thank you for the account, I wish I hadn't read that people were alive when it burst into flames and had been left with my fond hope that the rest had been killed on impact, but that is not your fault, I chose to read it. RIP Darren and the others.
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From: Oz Trailer
OK - I wont post anymore on this thread (until the investigation is completed) as I seem to be upsetting some on here although I genuinely have absolutely no idea why.
How anyone can read my posts and conclude that I am insisting on knowing who sat where - is beyond me. Yet at least 2 of you seem to think I am.
Finally, I apologise to all I've upset.
TB
How anyone can read my posts and conclude that I am insisting on knowing who sat where - is beyond me. Yet at least 2 of you seem to think I am.
Finally, I apologise to all I've upset.
TB
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I'd love to be there 18-W but have only just now seen your post and it's too short notice for me. I've known Les Wright for a lot of years - at least as long as I've known Darren - so would really have liked to be there.
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Accident report here http://www.aic.gov.pg/pdf/P2-TAA%20F...812.221112.pdf
Very damming report and accurate to my knowledge. What the co-pilot had to endure during the last few minutes leading up to the accident was absolutely dreadful.
Lot of lesson to be learnt from this accident.
Very damming report and accurate to my knowledge. What the co-pilot had to endure during the last few minutes leading up to the accident was absolutely dreadful.
Lot of lesson to be learnt from this accident.
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From: 500 miles from Chaikhosi, Yogistan
RIP old mate. It makes me angry to know that your fun loving life was taken from you, your loving family and you friends all too soon by the actions of a dinosaur in the cockpit. There are enough risks in what we do without such pilots making them worse. This accident which claimed your life and those of your fellow pax was entirely preventable.
I'm still sad and now I'm angry.
I'm still sad and now I'm angry.
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The AIC states that it is not its purpose to apportion blame. However, all but the most thick witted reading this report would conclude where the blame lay. No doubt any litigation that follows will pursue this angle.
While normally on the side of the PIC wherever there is any doubt, in this accident I can see no mitigating circumstances.
Standing by for incoming flack for speaking so ill of the deceased.
While normally on the side of the PIC wherever there is any doubt, in this accident I can see no mitigating circumstances.
Standing by for incoming flack for speaking so ill of the deceased.
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