Parking Etiquette
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Parking Etiquette
G'day all,
Just after the general consensus out there re parking etiquette. Here's the scenario:
You are flying into a country aerodrome, that has no reserved parking. There are a number of local operators, operating out of the strip with limited sealed parking available. The operators leave their tie downs, tagged to identify the owners of the tie downs, in their typical parking spot when they are out on flights. When you arrive that spot is the only space available on the main parking apron do you;
a) Park there anyway as there is no reserved parking, and what right do they have to "reserve" a space, or;
b) Park elsewhere respecting the local operators, even though it may require pegs to be put down for your tie downs away from the main sealed parking area.
Cheers
Danger
Just after the general consensus out there re parking etiquette. Here's the scenario:
You are flying into a country aerodrome, that has no reserved parking. There are a number of local operators, operating out of the strip with limited sealed parking available. The operators leave their tie downs, tagged to identify the owners of the tie downs, in their typical parking spot when they are out on flights. When you arrive that spot is the only space available on the main parking apron do you;
a) Park there anyway as there is no reserved parking, and what right do they have to "reserve" a space, or;
b) Park elsewhere respecting the local operators, even though it may require pegs to be put down for your tie downs away from the main sealed parking area.
Cheers
Danger
Good air-man-ship is gained by asking so good on you for asking
As has been said take option B if possible but if the grass is soaked as it would be here in Vic of late I'd say park in some ones else spot & go seek out whom the operator is & be professional about it. I would very much appreciate it if some one came up to me & mentioned they had parked in my spot due no other place & asked for their advice. We all fly in the same airspace& that extends to where we start & finish :-)
While I have the floor here. Some free education for those learning.
I often am parked at country dromes in the course of my work (Air Ambo) & the amount of times some pilot newbies (not always newbies either I'd say) complete often with instructor aboard taxis right next to my ship whilst we are loading/unloading a patient with lots of equip around inc non aviation personal
& commence engine run ups with the obvious problem for us. Noise & wind.
A C172 is bad enough but a C210 for Eg is shear stupidity!
It flaws/floors(for the spelling police
) me that the instructors allow this especially when some dromes have large sealed aprons far from where we are parked where a run up could be completed. I could list a few here but I won't I only hope that at least one pilot gets the message & conducts & learns airmanship & becomes a more respectful pilot. This is not a gripe it's more about education, some things you do NOT learn from books.
Wmk2
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As has been said take option B if possible but if the grass is soaked as it would be here in Vic of late I'd say park in some ones else spot & go seek out whom the operator is & be professional about it. I would very much appreciate it if some one came up to me & mentioned they had parked in my spot due no other place & asked for their advice. We all fly in the same airspace& that extends to where we start & finish :-)
While I have the floor here. Some free education for those learning.
I often am parked at country dromes in the course of my work (Air Ambo) & the amount of times some pilot newbies (not always newbies either I'd say) complete often with instructor aboard taxis right next to my ship whilst we are loading/unloading a patient with lots of equip around inc non aviation personal
& commence engine run ups with the obvious problem for us. Noise & wind.
A C172 is bad enough but a C210 for Eg is shear stupidity!
It flaws/floors(for the spelling police
) me that the instructors allow this especially when some dromes have large sealed aprons far from where we are parked where a run up could be completed. I could list a few here but I won't I only hope that at least one pilot gets the message & conducts & learns airmanship & becomes a more respectful pilot. This is not a gripe it's more about education, some things you do NOT learn from books.Wmk2
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So how long is the 'reserved space' going to be empty? An hour? A day? A week?
Common sense dictates to park in the safest spot available on arrival (keeping clear of terminal spots and taxiways) then find a local to sort out a long term solution. It may be that the aircraft is gone for a week, problem solvered
Common sense dictates to park in the safest spot available on arrival (keeping clear of terminal spots and taxiways) then find a local to sort out a long term solution. It may be that the aircraft is gone for a week, problem solvered
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Hearing you Wally...
Having been working out of Canberra lately, and on those cold mornings (brass monkey stuff) where a few plonkers sit in the parking area at the GA warming their engines for 10 min then blasting me and my mount with freezing wind while they do run ups....
The smart ones use the area near the avgas bowser...
As for parking... def "B". Try asking for help (jump start or lift into town) from the local operator after you have "pissed them off" by flogging one of their spots !
Magnum
Having been working out of Canberra lately, and on those cold mornings (brass monkey stuff) where a few plonkers sit in the parking area at the GA warming their engines for 10 min then blasting me and my mount with freezing wind while they do run ups....
The smart ones use the area near the avgas bowser...
As for parking... def "B". Try asking for help (jump start or lift into town) from the local operator after you have "pissed them off" by flogging one of their spots !
Magnum
My general rule is if you are an itinerant / visitor anywhere (without any other special circumstances which would warrant otherwise), what makes you think you have any right to a sealed / premo spot?
So its a definite B for me. Respect and airmanship for the locals.
So its a definite B for me. Respect and airmanship for the locals.
1) Ask someone what the story is re parking on that particular aerodrome.
2) If the spot is not formally "Reserved" then (a) - but use your own tie downs!
You pay the same fees and charges as the locals.
Dr
2) If the spot is not formally "Reserved" then (a) - but use your own tie downs!
You pay the same fees and charges as the locals.
Dr
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You pay the same fees and charges as the locals.
Gets right up my nose when the locals think they can dissappear for days but reserve 'their' place in a public parking area by leaving their tie down ropes in place. Most unwelcoming and unfriendly to visitors, who just want to park in a public area on a first come basis.. a!! but whatever you do dont use their ropes - all sorts of things can happen to your plane during the night
PS Are you talking about somehwere in particular? Maybe somewhere up your way starting with B?
When you live....
Wally, in my case, is it good air-girl-ship?
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..................plz don't beat me girl, with a stick:-) Gotta explain that one to us some time Okay for the record it's Air-person-ship, or Air-ship-person:-)
'magnum' I hear ya too:-) Try doing a daily at 6am when it's around zero out there on the black stuff & the damn Helimed or copper chopper is running up.................talk about numb everything!
Here's a great Eg of how some pilots just don't think!
Was at a small Vic country drome some time ago now & upon arrival on an urgent task I found a twin (so obviously no 50 hr pvt pilot at the wheel) sitting there all locked up right in front of the "Air Ambulance parking are & signed as such".There was simply no other place to park the old Beech without blocking his escape path to the rwy so I had no choice but to park in front of him disembark the Med team & leave for the hospital. I quickly left a note under the cabin door handle with my Mob Ph No on it & left with the team. (there was ample parking in the GA parking area BTW for this guy/gal)
A few hrs latter we returned not having heard from the guy only to find the offending plane gone !!!!! To this day beats me how he/she got it out !!! Just an Eg of the lack of air-man-ship/air-girl-ship about
Wmk2
Okay for the record it's Air-person-ship, or Air-ship-person:-)'magnum' I hear ya too:-) Try doing a daily at 6am when it's around zero out there on the black stuff & the damn Helimed or copper chopper is running up.................talk about numb everything!
Here's a great Eg of how some pilots just don't think!
Was at a small Vic country drome some time ago now & upon arrival on an urgent task I found a twin (so obviously no 50 hr pvt pilot at the wheel) sitting there all locked up right in front of the "Air Ambulance parking are & signed as such".There was simply no other place to park the old Beech without blocking his escape path to the rwy so I had no choice but to park in front of him disembark the Med team & leave for the hospital. I quickly left a note under the cabin door handle with my Mob Ph No on it & left with the team. (there was ample parking in the GA parking area BTW for this guy/gal)
A few hrs latter we returned not having heard from the guy only to find the offending plane gone !!!!! To this day beats me how he/she got it out !!! Just an Eg of the lack of air-man-ship/air-girl-ship about
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Or, C, call ahead to find out where to park.
Im yet to meet an operator that won't happily advise a fellow pilot on parking areas over the phone. Most are often only to happy to pass on any local knowledge that may make your visit alot easier and less stressful.
Then there is also the pilot that manages to shut down right in the middle of the very small parking area available when you are following them in.
Having experienced on many occasions someone parking in my tie downs with varying results. Sometimes its a quick wave to say sorry and start up and move, to them getting in the car and driving off, to having aircraft blocked from parking spots during/at the end of a days flying.
Lets not get started on pilots that park in front the fuel bowser. Warriors are hardly a difficult aircraft to pull forward (most singles and a couple of light twins in fact). I could go on and on about airpersonship
, but I'll leave the rant there.
Im yet to meet an operator that won't happily advise a fellow pilot on parking areas over the phone. Most are often only to happy to pass on any local knowledge that may make your visit alot easier and less stressful.
Then there is also the pilot that manages to shut down right in the middle of the very small parking area available when you are following them in.
Having experienced on many occasions someone parking in my tie downs with varying results. Sometimes its a quick wave to say sorry and start up and move, to them getting in the car and driving off
, to having aircraft blocked from parking spots during/at the end of a days flying.Lets not get started on pilots that park in front the fuel bowser. Warriors are hardly a difficult aircraft to pull forward (most singles and a couple of light twins in fact). I could go on and on about airpersonship
, but I'll leave the rant there.
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I have a few personal experiences:
Coffs Harbour, I went to the GA parking, found the spots seemingly reserved, got out the pegs and tied down on the grass, no harm done
Townsville: I went to the GA parking area, looked around, and parked in between a few propless Bonanza's. - They won't be moving for a while, I don't think.
Hervey Bay, Towards the end of the parking area, near the vehicle gates (opposite end to the terminal) - Hervey Bay Aero Club supplies tiedown ropes etc. for anyone to use
However, with Coffs, and a few others, I just called and asked, very helpful... should all be in ERSA
Coffs Harbour, I went to the GA parking, found the spots seemingly reserved, got out the pegs and tied down on the grass, no harm done
Townsville: I went to the GA parking area, looked around, and parked in between a few propless Bonanza's. - They won't be moving for a while, I don't think.
Hervey Bay, Towards the end of the parking area, near the vehicle gates (opposite end to the terminal) - Hervey Bay Aero Club supplies tiedown ropes etc. for anyone to use
However, with Coffs, and a few others, I just called and asked, very helpful... should all be in ERSA
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Sorry for the thread drift, but can't help it...
GWAS... sorry but airmanship is one of those no sexist words which uses "man" as in mankind, not as in male or female.
I greatly respect the right of ladies to use what term/s they are comfortable with in this new age, however there are some where the old words are unisex if you like and should continued to be used without modification to show the person is female. I suggest it is not relevant.
The Captain of a ship or aeroplane is the "Captain" even if a lady. The Captain of a ship is also referred to as the Master, as they obtain a "masters certificate" when qualified. I don't believe you will ever find a ships "mistress" on the bridge!!
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As for the parking: Well you have to use a bit of common sense, some examples of which has been covered already. However (b) is a good bet till you obtain some local advice.
Respect and airmanship for the locals.
I greatly respect the right of ladies to use what term/s they are comfortable with in this new age, however there are some where the old words are unisex if you like and should continued to be used without modification to show the person is female. I suggest it is not relevant.
The Captain of a ship or aeroplane is the "Captain" even if a lady. The Captain of a ship is also referred to as the Master, as they obtain a "masters certificate" when qualified. I don't believe you will ever find a ships "mistress" on the bridge!!
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As for the parking: Well you have to use a bit of common sense, some examples of which has been covered already. However (b) is a good bet till you obtain some local advice.
As someone who has been on the ground side of things in the past if I ever saw tiedown ropes etc that had been left behind to "reserve" a park they would be confiscated as they consititute a FOD hazard. Same goes for operators leaving half tyres etc behind to mark their pegs/stakes. Gone! Nothing (however minor) should be left on an apron area that could endanger another operator.