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Careful there 'BK" you might get a lovely birthday card from these guys with their phone No's & a photo of their pride & joy with comments like that
I'd love to know what the criteria is/was for the pulling of the chute! Apart from the obvious! This might sound like a silly Q but can the chute that was deployed in the last effort to stay alive after engine failure be cut loose just in case you where fumbling around down at floor level in the cockpit getting ready to kiss yr ass goodbye when you discovered that the fuel tap was truned off!!!!
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I'd love to know what the criteria is/was for the pulling of the chute! Apart from the obvious! This might sound like a silly Q but can the chute that was deployed in the last effort to stay alive after engine failure be cut loose just in case you where fumbling around down at floor level in the cockpit getting ready to kiss yr ass goodbye when you discovered that the fuel tap was truned off!!!!
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No the chute is a one way option. Unless you fancy opening the doors and clamering around outside with a knife !
I flew one for 20 odd hours on a family trip with the rugrats in the back. No way I was pulling the safety pin out (as required in the preflight).
I had visions of the kids getting bored and fiddling around with the lovely velcro covered thing in the roof
No the chute is a one way option. Unless you fancy opening the doors and clamering around outside with a knife !
I flew one for 20 odd hours on a family trip with the rugrats in the back. No way I was pulling the safety pin out (as required in the preflight).
I had visions of the kids getting bored and fiddling around with the lovely velcro covered thing in the roof
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Hi Wally MK2,
The most common and obvious reasons for chute deployment are - severe icing resulting in loss of control, Pilot incapacitation,Mid Air collision, Engine failure over Tiger Country or rough water (as the case was with VH SLS), Engine failure over dense pop area.
If your ever in Duluth MN, they have a Sim with CAPS and put you through a variety of situations were you decide to pull or not to pull !
At last count 25 CAPS deployments in Cirrus aircraft world wide and 40 odd lives saved. just under 6000 SR airframes now around the world.
The most common and obvious reasons for chute deployment are - severe icing resulting in loss of control, Pilot incapacitation,Mid Air collision, Engine failure over Tiger Country or rough water (as the case was with VH SLS), Engine failure over dense pop area.
If your ever in Duluth MN, they have a Sim with CAPS and put you through a variety of situations were you decide to pull or not to pull !
At last count 25 CAPS deployments in Cirrus aircraft world wide and 40 odd lives saved. just under 6000 SR airframes now around the world.
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At last count 25 CAPS deployments in Cirrus aircraft world wide and 40 odd lives saved. just under 6000 SR airframes now around the world.
Of the 25 CAPS deployed and "alleged 40 lives saved" how many have been analysed to see if the deployment was made when maybe it was more prudent to make a forced landing in a survivable place? Has this been considered?
IMC over the Rocky's and nowhere to go is a fair bit different to say aout around Dalby Qld with SCT at 4000'.
And what made the SLS stop?
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If the noise stopped and I had a nice field within gliding distance, I would be flying it all the way to the ground, It (caps pull) should be treated as a last resort.
Some of the lives saved can be directly credited to CAPS, ie Pilot had a fatal aneurysm on climbout and his young teenage son pulled the chute.
COPA.org do a fair bit of "after the fact" reports on this actual subject!
What caused SLS ? come and have a brew at BAF and will discuss
If the noise stopped and I had a nice field within gliding distance, I would be flying it all the way to the ground, It (caps pull) should be treated as a last resort.
Some of the lives saved can be directly credited to CAPS, ie Pilot had a fatal aneurysm on climbout and his young teenage son pulled the chute.
COPA.org do a fair bit of "after the fact" reports on this actual subject!
What caused SLS ? come and have a brew at BAF and will discuss
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Glad to here the deployments are mostly warranted.
As for BAF....I try to avoid the place at all costs!
Maybe next time KLC comes to visit I might come over and see Keith....mind you he does not partake so I will have his share!
Cheers
J
As for BAF....I try to avoid the place at all costs!
Maybe next time KLC comes to visit I might come over and see Keith....mind you he does not partake so I will have his share!
Cheers
J
That would be bloody scary pulling that chute.I guess once done so the airframe then belongs to the insurance Co & yr just going along for the ride/experience!
Jaba would you not say that the Dr
should have one of them in his Bo? In fact knowing him he should have 1/2 doz like everything else in that flying test bed!
Also Jaba am gunna send you a pix via Mob Ph if you could post it for me on PPRUNE where appropriate I'd appreciate it as I can't seem to get it to work here.The Dr will love it!
"SR22T" is it a mandatory thing to remove the safety pin of this chute thingy prior to flight? As another said here he left that pin in place & I reckon for good reason in his case
Can't imagine what it would be like having to decide to pull the cord............scarier than where to crash
Jaba would you not say that the Dr
should have one of them in his Bo? In fact knowing him he should have 1/2 doz like everything else in that flying test bed!Also Jaba am gunna send you a pix via Mob Ph if you could post it for me on PPRUNE where appropriate I'd appreciate it as I can't seem to get it to work here.The Dr
will love it!"SR22T" is it a mandatory thing to remove the safety pin of this chute thingy prior to flight? As another said here he left that pin in place & I reckon for good reason in his case
Can't imagine what it would be like having to decide to pull the cord............scarier than where to crash
..........with a steadily increasing kill rate!
Don't think I've heard of any fatalities in Oz so far?
They definitely have a better survival rate than bonzas anyway.....
Wal
In theory the pin should be pulled before flight to "arm" the caps.
But having shown swmbo how to remove the pin (which takes 2 seconds) I was confident the risks of leaving the pin in were low.
Better than an inadvertent pull!!
I do think the caps or more generic brs us a great marketing tool but Also a great option.
After all when the poo hits the fan, another option is handy to have.
In theory the pin should be pulled before flight to "arm" the caps.
But having shown swmbo how to remove the pin (which takes 2 seconds) I was confident the risks of leaving the pin in were low.
Better than an inadvertent pull!!
I do think the caps or more generic brs us a great marketing tool but Also a great option.
After all when the poo hits the fan, another option is handy to have.
okay one last Q........can this 'last resort' be deployed at VNE?.Might have the 99% of the plane going down like a missile with the roof section floating down like a leaf! Must go & have a read on this system& the pro's & cons of it (if any)
Wmk2
Must go & have a read on this system& the pro's & cons of it (if any)Wmk2
If I recall correctly there is a max speed and minimum height set out in the poh.
The max speed us nowhere near vne so yes you should slow it down. Sr22 will answer but it maybe around 130 knots from memory?
They point out that if the fan is really poo covered, pull the damn thing anyway and hope for the best!
The max speed us nowhere near vne so yes you should slow it down. Sr22 will answer but it maybe around 130 knots from memory?
They point out that if the fan is really poo covered, pull the damn thing anyway and hope for the best!
There are a lot of questions being asked here and opinions been given and miss information told.If your interested in flying the cirrus or finding out the philosophy of operating the aircraft and how and when to use the chute go and do the cirrus training with the cirrus distributor Sunland Aviation in Brisbane.
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I have a pretty good bet on the fact Sunland Aviation are well represented on this thread already and has been offering some good advice and information.
What do you reckon SR22T?
What do you reckon SR22T?