Mid-air near Fielding 26 July 2010
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Mid-air near Fielding 26 July 2010
Anyone have any fresh info on the mid-air being reported on stuff.co.nz? Apparantly two 152's. Near Fielding Aerodrome?
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From the NZ Herald:
Two dead in Feilding plane collision - National - NZ Herald News
Flew over Fielding several times today in/out of Palmy, stunning day there...
Condolences to those affected....
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Two dead in Feilding plane collision - National - NZ Herald News
Flew over Fielding several times today in/out of Palmy, stunning day there...
Condolences to those affected....
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Photo here now...
Two dead in Feilding plane collision - national | Stuff.co.nz
don't know if emergency services did any cutting of the aircraft, but either way, that's one flat 152.
Condolences to all those involved.
Two dead in Feilding plane collision - national | Stuff.co.nz
don't know if emergency services did any cutting of the aircraft, but either way, that's one flat 152.
Condolences to all those involved.
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Condolences to all.
I know it is a little too soon to speculate on the causes of this one, but it is the third fatal mid-air in the area in 6 years - Massey, Paraparaumu , and now this.
I know it is a little too soon to speculate on the causes of this one, but it is the third fatal mid-air in the area in 6 years - Massey, Paraparaumu , and now this.
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nature of the beast...
...?? I don't believe a mid-air collision is in the nature of the beast at all.
I have my own theory about what has contributed to these crashes (and a few more) but will maybe air them at a more appropriate time.
Let's let the bodies cool first.
And I don't think you can compare GA to Military flying - apart from the fact that the aeroplanes look the same.
I have my own theory about what has contributed to these crashes (and a few more) but will maybe air them at a more appropriate time.
Let's let the bodies cool first.
And I don't think you can compare GA to Military flying - apart from the fact that the aeroplanes look the same.
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It was reported in todays Dominion Post that the solo pilot landed sans engine power and front wheel. Perhaps one aircraft descended upon the other? The 152 at the lower altitude would not see the other aircraft if it was above and would be reliant on accurate reports on location, etc.
I know it is a little too soon to speculate on the causes of this one, but it is the third fatal mid-air in the area in 6 years - Massey, Paraparaumu , and now this.
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It was reported in todays Dominion Post that the solo pilot landed sans engine power and front wheel. Perhaps one aircraft descended upon the other?
I can't find a static image of it, but it's in this video at about 1 minute in...
Husband remembers wife lost in Feilding Cessna crash - National - Video - 3 News
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It appears that way to me too. Just so, so tragic.
Weekend, some posts have been deleted, including mine (I can't recall saying anything insensitive?) but I'm guessing someone tried to draw parallels with our Huey accident on ANZAC day...?
As you say... nothing at all similar between civvy and military flying - in my opinion.
Weekend, some posts have been deleted, including mine (I can't recall saying anything insensitive?) but I'm guessing someone tried to draw parallels with our Huey accident on ANZAC day...?
As you say... nothing at all similar between civvy and military flying - in my opinion.
Admittedly this is a congested piece of airspace, but it's bloody frustrating that these accidents keep happening! Especially when there is relatively cheap technology out there that would help prevent it! Google Zaon MRX or Monroy ATD, something like this set up to let you know when there's traffic within 1mile and 500ft would be just the duck's knuts as a backup to VFR. All for less than 1k USD! Bloody cheap compared to what a crash like this costs, in $ and more so in lives!
It's not the only answer, but it's a start! We can't afford to just shake our heads and carry on doing what we've always done, and accept that every now and again there's going to be a tragedy.
It's not the only answer, but it's a start! We can't afford to just shake our heads and carry on doing what we've always done, and accept that every now and again there's going to be a tragedy.
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yep one of three things must've happened..aircraft A flew into aircraft B, or aircraft B flew into aircraft A or aircraft A and aircraft B flew into each other..if you trained in a busy airfield or training area then-"there but for the grace of god..."
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Were they doing overhead rejoins?, We need to get rid of the idea that all student pilots approach an airfield this way, Its not in the CAA rules, its not what happens in the real world I think our training organisations need a mind change on this one. Wasn't OHRJs and turning left after landing even if you are supposed to go right for the days of no radios?
VH-VIN,
You are right in that the utility of overhead rejoin's should be discussed, but what is the alternative? I still think it should be taught, I still do them from time to time in the Caravan's that I fly to unattended and even 'attended' (in the loosest sense of the word) aerodromes.
Is there not potential for a collision in any unattended joining procedure if you fail to spot or take account of the traffic?
You are right in that the utility of overhead rejoin's should be discussed, but what is the alternative? I still think it should be taught, I still do them from time to time in the Caravan's that I fly to unattended and even 'attended' (in the loosest sense of the word) aerodromes.
Is there not potential for a collision in any unattended joining procedure if you fail to spot or take account of the traffic?
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SOHRJ's are a completely safe procedure if done 'standard' i.e flying the right pattern with appropriate radio calls.
How do you expect someone to determine the runway in use and any other traffic (incl. NORDO) at an unattended aerodrome without flying overhead to check the windsocks.
As for not happening in the real world, I can whole-heartedly say that it is a current and well used procedure in NZ. I've even done one in B1900D at a busy NZWR circuit...
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How do you expect someone to determine the runway in use and any other traffic (incl. NORDO) at an unattended aerodrome without flying overhead to check the windsocks.
As for not happening in the real world, I can whole-heartedly say that it is a current and well used procedure in NZ. I've even done one in B1900D at a busy NZWR circuit...
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Hallo people, We are not fliers, but very close, long standing friends of Pat Smallman the lady who died yesterday in the fielding crash. We are in London and had been friends of Pat for over 30 yrs. Mary, my wife travelled with Pat to Africa on 3 month safari's testing the boundaries and exploring the depths of forests for Gorilla's and we have lost one of the warmest, friendliest, funniest, lovliest live wires you could ever wish to meet. One so full of life and always, even at her age wishing to grow even stronger by learning, she tested boundaries of her life, but was as responsible as anyone in how she executed what she attempted - careless she was not. We did not know the instructor, but another young life taken too. I thank you sincerely for the offers of condolences in the earlier posts.
I did not wish to hijack a predominantly 'flying and aviation forum, I frequent a few forum in the UK myself and know how powerful they can be so what I would like to say here, now that I found these comments about the situation there in Fielding is please do whatever the industry can to change things if you can or if they are needed in the Aerodrome there if you feel it is needed, or anywhere else for that matter where small aircraft are vulnerable. I see someone saying for a 1000 $ something could have been done which could have made this avoidable - is there anyone out there pushing for these things to been applied?
Two very wholsesome people have had their lives snatched away from them in a flash and whilst I am sure all over the world these kind of losses are felt as painfully as these are here in this Fielding crash, but it's those who are in positions of strength within the industry who can change things for those who follow so that families and fellow flyers can be sound in the knowledge that things like this cannot happen.
The poor lad who survived this in the 2nd plane will have to live with this too, no matter where the fault lies eventually, it is not something easily lived with.
I wish all of you flyers, either professionals or just doing what Pat did living the dream a safe future and trust someone somewhere can make this a safer journey.
We will miss her greatly as will her family and other friends we never got to meet, this puts a human element to the techi side of things so please, if you can, press for safety changes. Try not let their lives be lost in vain.
Thank you.
Andrew and Mary Pain
Blackheath London
I did not wish to hijack a predominantly 'flying and aviation forum, I frequent a few forum in the UK myself and know how powerful they can be so what I would like to say here, now that I found these comments about the situation there in Fielding is please do whatever the industry can to change things if you can or if they are needed in the Aerodrome there if you feel it is needed, or anywhere else for that matter where small aircraft are vulnerable. I see someone saying for a 1000 $ something could have been done which could have made this avoidable - is there anyone out there pushing for these things to been applied?
Two very wholsesome people have had their lives snatched away from them in a flash and whilst I am sure all over the world these kind of losses are felt as painfully as these are here in this Fielding crash, but it's those who are in positions of strength within the industry who can change things for those who follow so that families and fellow flyers can be sound in the knowledge that things like this cannot happen.
The poor lad who survived this in the 2nd plane will have to live with this too, no matter where the fault lies eventually, it is not something easily lived with.
I wish all of you flyers, either professionals or just doing what Pat did living the dream a safe future and trust someone somewhere can make this a safer journey.
We will miss her greatly as will her family and other friends we never got to meet, this puts a human element to the techi side of things so please, if you can, press for safety changes. Try not let their lives be lost in vain.
Thank you.
Andrew and Mary Pain
Blackheath London
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I agree there is a place for them but not every time. It is often safer to work in with other traffic either joining straight in or down wind. This should taught as well but doesnt seem to be the case. Finding out what the wind is can be done by allot of other ways other than looking at the wind sock from 1500 feet.
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Overhead joins
I completed a PPL in February, and overhead joins were definitely a hot topic and enforced rigourously. So too was the 500 foot climb level off and have a look before continuing the climb concept, so from my personal experience these concepts are well managed in the ppl curriculum in NZ. This was for a location with marginally higher traffic density to the one this incident occurred at.