Is RACWA on finals? YOU WERE WARNED!!
Perhaps Avdata are playing funny buggers - I got a bill for just over $80 for 3 RNAV to missed approaches at Rotto - never even got a whiff of the runway. Maybe they are claiming charging rights to airspace over the runway as well.
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So I guess you did not register for the discount at:
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia - Murrayfield Airport Details & Charges
which takes you here:
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia - Member Landing Discount Scheme
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia - Murrayfield Airport Details & Charges
which takes you here:
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia - Member Landing Discount Scheme
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Qff - I had the same problem last year. Spoke to Avdata who put me forward to the rottnest island authority who directed me back to Avdata - love a good run around.
In the end I told Avdata to contact the island authority who's argument was that by conducting an approach you prevent another aircraft from landing. Pretty lame. They don't provide any service therefore they have no right to charge for a missed approach.
Long and the short of it the charges were waved. However they check the tapes and needed reminding each time a bill came with a landing chArge on it
In the end I told Avdata to contact the island authority who's argument was that by conducting an approach you prevent another aircraft from landing. Pretty lame. They don't provide any service therefore they have no right to charge for a missed approach.
Long and the short of it the charges were waved. However they check the tapes and needed reminding each time a bill came with a landing chArge on it
Rottnest Island doesn’t have the legal authority last time I looked to charge for airspace usage under the Federal Act. They can charge for landings and take-offs but only Air Services Australia have the right to charge navigation charges in Australia.
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Circular to ALL MEMBERS
letter in the mail dated 19th November 2010......
EGM to be held 15th December at 7pm at the club.
$1m to be paid to bank by end of June.
Members fees to be increased...dramatically
"life time" membership ability with 1 off fee - NOT Life member status
Assets - planes to be sold off to reduce debt
Debentures to be issued to members wanting to take the punt
Periodic minimum spend to be tabled for members
ALL too late I fear
ONLY 1300 members left....most of whom I would suggest fall into either student category 16 yrs - 21 yrs or +55 yrs, hardly the age groups required for "risky" investments.
Time will tell...$1m is a big ask...and by June......ouch!
EGM to be held 15th December at 7pm at the club.
$1m to be paid to bank by end of June.
Members fees to be increased...dramatically
"life time" membership ability with 1 off fee - NOT Life member status
Assets - planes to be sold off to reduce debt
Debentures to be issued to members wanting to take the punt
Periodic minimum spend to be tabled for members
ALL too late I fear
ONLY 1300 members left....most of whom I would suggest fall into either student category 16 yrs - 21 yrs or +55 yrs, hardly the age groups required for "risky" investments.
Time will tell...$1m is a big ask...and by June......ouch!
Even if they manage to pay that (if), the club will definitely look completely different in 6 months/a years time (hopefully not an empty building).
What's happening with all the clubs destructors? I understand it's still operating as normally as possible at the moment but surely jobs will go if aircraft, and probably members, go?
What's happening with all the clubs destructors? I understand it's still operating as normally as possible at the moment but surely jobs will go if aircraft, and probably members, go?
surely jobs will go if aircraft, and probably members, go?
short flights long nights
Periodic spend..huge increas in membership fees..after 34 years of membership..it might be the end of the ride for me
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After seeing quite substantial price increases over the last 2 years at RACWA, and now the proposal to increase the membership rate from $170 to $250 and still flying old planes that were supposed to have been replaced, I'm not sure I'll be renewing. I don't see why a not for profit charges the same rate or higher rate as for profit companies, the only explanation mismanagement of costs.
I'm now considering joining Curtin Flying Club, at $88 pa membership fee, and a standard hire rate which is cheaper than RACWA's discounted rate its hard to convince myself that I'd be better off staying with RACWA. But the biggest point is that CFC's planes are about 20 years newer than RACWAs!!!!!
I'm now considering joining Curtin Flying Club, at $88 pa membership fee, and a standard hire rate which is cheaper than RACWA's discounted rate its hard to convince myself that I'd be better off staying with RACWA. But the biggest point is that CFC's planes are about 20 years newer than RACWAs!!!!!
short flights long nights
And what is on offer for my $250?? Old aircraft at expensive prices and poor social facilites. That last lot has a LOT to answer for
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$250? No association with RACWA, but I wonder why $250 and not more. If they have a cashflow issue coming up, why not put a membership fee option of say $2500 on the table to include 10 (?) hours flying time subject to aircraft availability? Payment options of monthly, weekly or quarterly. It's like a gift card for those who can afford it. Most people will use the hours and more. Some won't. There are all sorts of training courses for non-profits seeking funds as well. Name the aircraft after the big donors. The worst they can do is business as usual. Then again, maybe it's evolution at work and aero clubs have had their time.
Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic....not enough has been done over the years to maintain the loyalty of members; wind the clock back 20 years and it might have been possible to raise this kind of cash (though it wouldn't have been necessary then) but too many people have been mucked around in the last few years and realised the grass is greener elsewhere and all those things they told you you "had" to do and all that money you "had" to spend just weren't true...and tired of getting fed a line about new aircraft etc. Murrayfield could have been a goldmine if it had been managed right.
Not a bad idea for them Lodown, to offer members to pay for flight hours in advance, rather than the debentures and higher members fees. They need more members, not less, so scaring them away with higher fees isn't the way forward. Those who walk away are not going to lose sleep over whether it succeeds or fails, but those who can be encouraged to stay will.
It's not going to prevent the need for some extreme belt-tightening, but it could be helpful in solving the immediate cashflow crisis and allowing the black cloudbase to lift a little. The management team really need to accelerate fund-raising type activities that bring the club members together, make it enjoyable and remind the membership what they originally joined for.
FWIW, I didn't renew my membership a couple of years ago since I wasn't in WA all that much when the bill came due and others were better value for money.
I wish them well - it would be a shame to see it fail.
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It's not going to prevent the need for some extreme belt-tightening, but it could be helpful in solving the immediate cashflow crisis and allowing the black cloudbase to lift a little. The management team really need to accelerate fund-raising type activities that bring the club members together, make it enjoyable and remind the membership what they originally joined for.
FWIW, I didn't renew my membership a couple of years ago since I wasn't in WA all that much when the bill came due and others were better value for money.
I wish them well - it would be a shame to see it fail.
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Not a bad idea for them Lodown, to offer members to pay for flight hours in advance
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Thats the last draw for me.... asking me to pay more for ****ty old planes. Member for 4 years and to hell with such high costs for ****ty old planes. 250 a year for what ??? for loyalty ??? **** that pay less down the road for newer aircraft and no membership fee. hrmmm let me think.............Seriously even the new commitee have no frekn idea. Over and out for Racwa
Yep, the members have to pay to keep the WAAC operation functioning
The operation is a bit like a pyramid scheme. Without students paying to become instructors to teach more students to become instructors, it collapses. AKA current situation.
Focus on being a club, and the members will be back. Leave the commercial training to the companies that actually have commercial Pilots.
The operation is a bit like a pyramid scheme. Without students paying to become instructors to teach more students to become instructors, it collapses. AKA current situation.
Focus on being a club, and the members will be back. Leave the commercial training to the companies that actually have commercial Pilots.
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Reminds me of a number of other West Australian "pyramid Schemes" the scheme only works if gullible folk line up to be part of "something big" the real understanding investors are running away.
A debenture into RACWA would have to rank a a wild card investment into the total unknown, interest paid on the incoming funds from the next pack of mugs.
ASIC really need to watch this one quite closely.
A debenture into RACWA would have to rank a a wild card investment into the total unknown, interest paid on the incoming funds from the next pack of mugs.
ASIC really need to watch this one quite closely.