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Old 23rd Jun 2010, 21:58
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Am waiting for someone to tell us how to start the most difficult engine of all...... The infamous Jabiru cold start
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Old 23rd Jun 2010, 22:00
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Idle speed

Why would you need to adjust the RPM back to 1000'?

My IO550 just burbles into life and settles at 7-800 rpm.
Refer to: http://www.lycoming.textron.com/supp...Operations.pdf

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4. The engine should be operated at engine speeds between 1000 and 1200 RPM after starting and during the initial warm-up period. Avoid prolonged closed-throttle, idle-engine speed operation (when possible). At engine speeds from 1000 to 1200 RPM, the spark plug core temperatures are hot enough to activate the lead scavenging agents contained in the fuel which retards the formation of the lead salt deposits on the spark plugs and exhaust valve stems. Avoid rapid engine-speed changes after start-up, and use only the power settings required to taxi.
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 00:15
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Easy XXX

correct oil, correct gap on plugs and coils, decent grounds to the starter

Never had a problem even in the sub tropicals at 0 degrees.

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Old 24th Jun 2010, 00:20
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Never had a problem even in the sub tropicals at 0 degrees.
Unlike the IO540 in the Retard Vehicle, which has been known to NOT start!

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Old 24th Jun 2010, 00:54
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Does that Lycoming technique work with this Lycoming?

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Old 24th Jun 2010, 01:07
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...only is you wear the pristine white overalls and flying goggles

....definitely would not work for the bloke on the right.
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 02:24
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At least his eyes and dapper appearance will be safe when the inevitable "minor failure" takes place.
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 02:34
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Does anyone know what the tyre pressure would be for the wheel that goes on that axle?

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Old 24th Jun 2010, 04:16
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an 3_bolt I didn't say I don't adjust the rpm UP to 1000 rpm, when the oil pressure and temps justify it. I just like my engine to burble into life, particularly when cold, rather than roar into life.

I see Lycoming hasn't changed its position on LOP EGT ops.
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 04:28
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On the topic fuel... A 310 pilot parked his plane at a bowser and walk off to get his pax after he fueled up. I was only a little bit pissed at the fact he left his plane in the way for a good 10 minutes. (I was angree coz we are talkin 35 degree day) This is the good part... Once he gets back to the plane he tells me along with his pax he didnt want to start up and taxi to the terminal as the engines are a bitch to start when hot, and he wanted to save the starter. I thought F$%K i am flying a Baron I can manage just fine but i didn't say anything. Then I thought for a minute while i watched him star up. ahhhh i know he makes his pax walk everywhere... He is flooding the girl. Myself having flown both the c310 and baron which both have the continental IO520's figured out what this guy's problem was. He was priming the engines way to long and flooding them. This is why he couldn't start them. (my thought anyway) I thought it was great having to sit for another 10minutes while he started his engines. I bet his LAME would love the fact he is tryin to save the starter but would his OPs manager like the fact he is makeing pax walk everywhere, after all they paid to fly.....
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 04:28
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8) immediately allow the aeroplane to taxi forward 1.5 aeroplane lenghts in case excess fuel has been pumped out onto the ground and lit up during the start


An excellent piece of advice, which sadly, isn't taught to the kiddies anymore these days. It's commonsense and good airmanship really........and that's not taught either
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 04:32
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just the thing about common sence. its not very common
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 05:18
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8) Reduce throttle to give desired rpm (1000 rpm)
Psssst! Chuckles, that was on the "Hot start" list!

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Old 24th Jun 2010, 05:30
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I thought it was great having to sit for another 10minutes while he started his engines.
If spending 10minutes trying to start 2 engines is considered saving the startor motor, what is flogging them.

The 310, easy to start hot. Everything closed, pumps on low, purge the lines. Everything forward and a small squirt from the primer (about a second), close throttles, crack to 1/4 inch, crank and it'll fire. Then sit nicely on 1000.

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Old 24th Jun 2010, 08:00
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Unlike the IO540 in the Retard Vehicle, which has been known to NOT start!
Well it would if Forkie had not left the master on and flattened the battery
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 09:12
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The Seneca is a prick of a thing, and its not over once they are started especially on a warm day, that primer button gets a working over - nothing like getting a clearance to line up then having one of the donks stop and refuse to start too... Also a pain after landing when trying to cool the turbo's on the taxi in and you have to keep the engine at 1200 RPM just to keep it running. Why couldn't Piper just put O470's in it??
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 09:23
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what is it?

Monster engine what is it and what was it built for?
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 09:54
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Am waiting for someone to tell us how to start the most difficult engine of all...... The infamous Jabiru cold start

With a match !!
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 10:45
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Monster engine what is it and what was it built for?
Lycoming R7755
5000 HP

Built for things that never came.
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Old 24th Jun 2010, 12:58
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I was taught to use the flooded start method when the io520 was hot. DONT It's a very bad way to do it. If the engine backfires fuel will ignite and burn right back to the air filter. Dont ask me how I know. Continuing to operate the starter is good if you know theres a problem and the battery is not nearly flat but you might not have that luxury. Cessna Pilots Assn. recommends for a hot engine (1) full throttle, mixture idle cut off , boost pump on high up to 2 minutes. (2) mixture full rich, throttle idle, change fuel tanks,short burst with the boost pump. (3) engage starter and slowly advance throttle. Works every time and no fire danger. This method purges the hot vaporized fuel from the fuel lines and replaces it with cool fuel without pumping any into the manifold.Changing tanks ensures you don't immediately reuse the purged fuel. The short burst clears the injector lines and puts a small amount in the manifold for starting. Normally I dont need to use this method until OAT is 35+ and the plane has been shut down 10-20 minutes.
Safe Starting RA
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