Working with Children
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Working with Children
Now you need a "Working with children" check to teach pilots. Perhaps the moderators of this forum should get one too.
Are you passionate about Aviation and Teaching ???
Are you keen to mentor the next generation of Aviation Students?
Look no further, XXX Academy the world’s leading provider of aviation training, personnel solutions and technical support service has the right opportunity for you. We are seeking applications for the following role:
Role: Ground Instructor, Grade, G3
Reporting Manager: Chief Ground Instructor
Location: XXX
Duties and Responsibilities
XXX
Key Selection Criteria
XXX
You are also required to undertake the following pre-employment checks and be successful in them:
Drug and Alcohol Test
Working with Children Check
To have an opportunity to be part of this great team of Aviation Experts, please email your resume/CV to the Manager – People & Skills Development, XXX
Are you passionate about Aviation and Teaching ???
Are you keen to mentor the next generation of Aviation Students?
Look no further, XXX Academy the world’s leading provider of aviation training, personnel solutions and technical support service has the right opportunity for you. We are seeking applications for the following role:
Role: Ground Instructor, Grade, G3
Reporting Manager: Chief Ground Instructor
Location: XXX
Duties and Responsibilities
XXX
Key Selection Criteria
XXX
You are also required to undertake the following pre-employment checks and be successful in them:
Drug and Alcohol Test
Working with Children Check
To have an opportunity to be part of this great team of Aviation Experts, please email your resume/CV to the Manager – People & Skills Development, XXX
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Even junior sport coaches (football, netball, swimming etc) need to get one too. Anyone who has any contact with children needs to get one which I believe is just a criminal record check, but you get a nice photo id card which you carry around. Just like an ASIC, except it costs half as much and valid for twice as long.
Standard for any job with children involved.
Check the fine print!
How many children learn to fly? What is a child - anyone under 18 yrs of age?
University academic staff, even when teaching students under 18 do NOT require a "Working with children" clearance or "Blue card" !
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University academic staff, even when teaching students under 18 do NOT require a "Working with children" clearance or "Blue card!"
You are right of course, in this state they are exempted as shown at the link below, no idea why. Maybe its because uni classes are generally undertaken in a group and underagers are in the minority.
As the link below goes on to say that 'Police Officers who work with children no longer have to apply for blue cards' you can guess how well thought out and practical the whole scheme is. They also gloss over the fact that this sort of screening (similar to ASIC screening) only filters out people who got caught.
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Out of interest, is this a standard requirement for instructors or is it only this school that's advertising it?
Each state legislation is different. Check your local rules to see what is required. I know from my dealings with the Air Force Cadets we often get issues in that activities interstate may require staff to get that states check as well. For example if I was to travel to QLD I think I can do 7 days with my WA WWC Card but anymore than that I need a blue card.
It might have changed a bit now but I am not sure. TAS and SA didn't have an equivilant for a while there (possibly still not).
In WA it is anyone that deals with a person under 18 unless you are a parent of a participant acting as a volunteer (or something similar to that - there are other exceptions).
Best advice is google your state and find out from the govt of the day what the requirements are.
It might have changed a bit now but I am not sure. TAS and SA didn't have an equivilant for a while there (possibly still not).
In WA it is anyone that deals with a person under 18 unless you are a parent of a participant acting as a volunteer (or something similar to that - there are other exceptions).
Best advice is google your state and find out from the govt of the day what the requirements are.
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University academic staff, even when teaching students under 18 do NOT require a "Working with children" clearance or "Blue card" !
Quick tip. Dont lodge your working with children form under the name 'Kevin the Kiddy Fiddler'
SideSaddle, you can use [ quote ] text [ /quote ] without the spaces to get the quote box, if that's what you were trying to do above.
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Perhaps the moderators of this forum should get one too.
Each state legislation is different. Check your local rules to see what is required.
I see no problem at all in a flying school requiring Instructors to hold a Blue Card (or its equivalent) if they are potentially involved with young people under 18 years of age. Indeed, the requirement should be encouraged.
Pity we can't apply for it at the same time as the ASIC and save having to pay for the same checks twice!
It floors me that our society had sunk to this level of distrust
What do people really think that pedophilia didn't exist b4 this BS check system? It's a system that's fraught with leaks.It stops nothing!
Fancy having to have a card etc to teach someone to fly a damn plane.
We live in a society that's gone mad
Wmk2
What do people really think that pedophilia didn't exist b4 this BS check system? It's a system that's fraught with leaks.It stops nothing!Fancy having to have a card etc to teach someone to fly a damn plane.
We live in a society that's gone mad
Wmk2
Thankyou Wally.
I was asked recently to do some air experience flights for some of the local defence force cadets. Part of the deal was that I had to go through the the working with kids checks etc. etc. (and another AFP check right after having one done for the ASIC renewal).
I refused. At some point you just have to draw a line in the sand. The working with kids check was originally orientated toward those who work specifically work with children fulltime, such as kindergarten staff, primary school teachers and so on. It wasn't meant for some silly old git taking young adults for a fly once a year around their local patch.
It's yet another example of a piece legislation that has had unintended consequences.
The Privacy Act and the Aviation Security Act are another two that also spring to mind.
I was asked recently to do some air experience flights for some of the local defence force cadets. Part of the deal was that I had to go through the the working with kids checks etc. etc. (and another AFP check right after having one done for the ASIC renewal).
I refused. At some point you just have to draw a line in the sand. The working with kids check was originally orientated toward those who work specifically work with children fulltime, such as kindergarten staff, primary school teachers and so on. It wasn't meant for some silly old git taking young adults for a fly once a year around their local patch.
It's yet another example of a piece legislation that has had unintended consequences.
The Privacy Act and the Aviation Security Act are another two that also spring to mind.
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I wouldn't say that too loud gassed bugdie, they shouldn't have if its a requirement in that state. I can't let that happen in WA or they would have my guts!
Good on ya GB
but as Awo57 says be careful it's all about ass covering these days, the Pollies are the worst offenders there their the experts at it!
Take a look around any kiddies play ground, grandparents everywhere during the day (it's lovely to watch as the oldies get the most smiles) have they had to have a stupid check just to look after their own blood? Nope but they are just as likely to be in a position as anyone to abuse the right.
A well known TV celeb has just been caught (public news) so again having a check proves zip as such depravity can be had in a private manor!
The ASIC although also is a wank I guess is a necessary evil but to have to do the same check all over again with the AFP to have involvement with kids re flying is utter stupidity!
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but as Awo57 says be careful it's all about ass covering these days, the Pollies are the worst offenders there their the experts at it!Take a look around any kiddies play ground, grandparents everywhere during the day (it's lovely to watch as the oldies get the most smiles) have they had to have a stupid check just to look after their own blood? Nope but they are just as likely to be in a position as anyone to abuse the right.
A well known TV celeb has just been caught (public news) so again having a check proves zip as such depravity can be had in a private manor!
The ASIC although also is a wank I guess is a necessary evil but to have to do the same check all over again with the AFP to have involvement with kids re flying is utter stupidity!
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Gotta agree, gone are the innocent years. I was in Brissy a couple of months ago in a cafateria. A young couple were sitting opposite with a young child in a stroller when an old Lady on her way out stopped and patted the bub on the head and gave it a peck on the head. I thought isn't that great, the parents were great about it, then I thought what would have happened if it was an elderly Gent that did the same thing I'll bet the reaction would have been different. Us blokes seem to have no rights to affection (non pedo intent). Another a local school has a walkway going past the school boundary and there has been letters in the local rag about 2 elderly gents who do a morning walk on that walkway and have the criminal intent of looking in the direction of the kids at play. These small minded plicks called for the Police to warn off these 2 old Blokes
The Joint's gone mad. Even Kids walking to School is a rare thing.
I'd be the first to reap vengence on Kiddy Fiddlers, but we've got to have a sensible approach to the freedom of the law abiding Public.
Gonna buy an Island and blow anyone out of the water that approaches, BUT let the beer barge in once a month and long enough for a Strip
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Gotta agree, gone are the innocent years. I was in Brissy a couple of months ago in a cafateria. A young couple were sitting opposite with a young child in a stroller when an old Lady on her way out stopped and patted the bub on the head and gave it a peck on the head. I thought isn't that great, the parents were great about it, then I thought what would have happened if it was an elderly Gent that did the same thing I'll bet the reaction would have been different. Us blokes seem to have no rights to affection (non pedo intent). Another a local school has a walkway going past the school boundary and there has been letters in the local rag about 2 elderly gents who do a morning walk on that walkway and have the criminal intent of looking in the direction of the kids at play. These small minded plicks called for the Police to warn off these 2 old Blokes
The Joint's gone mad. Even Kids walking to School is a rare thing.
I'd be the first to reap vengence on Kiddy Fiddlers, but we've got to have a sensible approach to the freedom of the law abiding Public.
Gonna buy an Island and blow anyone out of the water that approaches, BUT let the beer barge in once a month and long enough for a Strip
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Gonna buy an Island and blow anyone out of the water that approaches, BUT let the beer barge in once a month and long enough for a Strip
A well known TV celeb has just been caught (public news)
He is innocent.
If the court, and a jury, find him guilty THEN (and only then) will he be guilty. NOT before.
Andy Muirhead is accused of 1 count of being in posession of child pornography. I have about a dozen photos of my kids in the bath, under a sprinkler, whatever, here on my computer (and a few friend's kids are just as nude in the same photo too).
Am I in posession of child porn? Probably.
Didn't our parents take photos of ALL of us nude? Oh that was in the 70's before internet I suppose.
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The working with kids check was originally orientated toward those who work specifically work with children fulltime, such as kindergarten staff, primary school teachers and so on.
But one has to wonder why an ASIC costs more than double than a WWC card when it's essentially a similar type of check anyway.