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What do people really think that pedophilia didn't exist b4 this BS check system? It's a system that's fraught with leaks.
Long term PPRuNers will recall a number of incidents of paedophile pilots mentioned on these forum, including one in the UK who is now rresiding at Her Majesties pleasure as a result of PPRuNe.
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The WWC card in Vic is good for 5 years and anyone who works in a school (non teaching) requires one. Only used to need a Police Clearance, costing $24. Now the WWC is $75, ASIC is $197, Drivers Licence, Pilots licence, Passport, Shooters licence and not one of them can be used as a substitute id. You also need multiple of the above to open a bank account. I need a man bag just to carry round the ids that I need to get into various places.
Nanny state is an under state ment for it.
As to the above post about the 2 elderly gent walking past the school each day and the female who patted the child on the head, what about the airline "policy" of NOT allowing children to sit beside a male pax on an aircraft. Does that apply to a male who holds a WWC check?
Nanny state is an under state ment for it.
As to the above post about the 2 elderly gent walking past the school each day and the female who patted the child on the head, what about the airline "policy" of NOT allowing children to sit beside a male pax on an aircraft. Does that apply to a male who holds a WWC check?
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The police check is different. There is no working with children thing in SA. We were in Vic recently, the wife is a midwife and she had to get the working with children thing, also a police clearance.
Bit of a pain but as someone else here said as long as it stops even one scumbag messing with a kid then keep it coming! And yes there are probably ways around it but does that mean give up and not bother with this sort of thing?
Bit of a pain but as someone else here said as long as it stops even one scumbag messing with a kid then keep it coming! And yes there are probably ways around it but does that mean give up and not bother with this sort of thing?
The wife is a midwife and she had to get the working with children thing
Cue screams of new born baby, still blue and covered in white stuff.
Midwife: "Sorry, I my working with children check has expired, I have to leave now".
Pythonesque.
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The true unintended consequence of all this BS is that more children are in potential danger because they have been taught to be afraid of adult men than are at risk from the true deviant adult.
In times past a lost kiddie would be taken in hand by an adult stranger and his/her parents found etc - now so many kids have been taught 'stranger danger' and so many honest adults, almost invariably men, have experienced hassles in this regard that many are fearful of helping small children in need.
Its a disgrace - children should be taught to, and in reality can, trust adult men (it pains me to even have add 'men'), 99.9999999% of whom are perfectly reliable in this respect - but that is the world of PC madness we have come to.
In times past a lost kiddie would be taken in hand by an adult stranger and his/her parents found etc - now so many kids have been taught 'stranger danger' and so many honest adults, almost invariably men, have experienced hassles in this regard that many are fearful of helping small children in need.
Its a disgrace - children should be taught to, and in reality can, trust adult men (it pains me to even have add 'men'), 99.9999999% of whom are perfectly reliable in this respect - but that is the world of PC madness we have come to.
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Chimbu,
If you want to look at the figures, it is most likely a male. But a male that is close to the family. Uncles, friends neighbours etc.
As someone at the start of the flying career I look at instructing and think if I get a female student who makes an accusation then effectively it is my word against hers and I am stuffed. Two people in a small cockpit, hard to prove.
Sad state of affairs....
If you want to look at the figures, it is most likely a male. But a male that is close to the family. Uncles, friends neighbours etc.
As someone at the start of the flying career I look at instructing and think if I get a female student who makes an accusation then effectively it is my word against hers and I am stuffed. Two people in a small cockpit, hard to prove.
Sad state of affairs....
Statistics have shown Chuck that less than 5% of children who suffer abuse, are abused by strangers. The rest are abused by someone they KNOW! I grew up with the 'stanger danger' motto. Doesn't make any sense now...
edit: Aussie beat me to it
edit: Aussie beat me to it
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err-umm; that's exactly what Chuck was saying fellas. Stranger Danger education has caused more harm that good. (He also said the bit about strangers feeling OK taking a kiddie-in-need by the hand and out as needed).
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Chuck and Aussie are correct, relatives, neighbours, family friends, teachers etc are often resposible for child abuse.
The Blue Card will never eliminate all risk of child abuse. It is intended to exclude, as much as possible, paedophiles accessing children in schools, child care, sporting teams, churches etc.
We'll never know statistics but I suspect the percentage of child abuse may be far higher than many suspect. Regrettable, the vast majority of child abuse is never reported.
The Blue Card will never eliminate all risk of child abuse. It is intended to exclude, as much as possible, paedophiles accessing children in schools, child care, sporting teams, churches etc.
We'll never know statistics but I suspect the percentage of child abuse may be far higher than many suspect. Regrettable, the vast majority of child abuse is never reported.
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University academic staff, even when teaching students under 18 do NOT require a "Working with children" clearance or "Blue card" !
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A valid blue card only offers protection to the extent that the holder hasn't been caught yet. Recent exposures of kiddie fiddlers in the ranks of the clergy both here and abroad just go to show that a blue card is no guarantee that the holder is an honest decent person who will not be tempted by an opportunity.
The money spent on administration of the scheme might be better spent on surveillance of those released back into the community.
Just my 2 cents worth.
The money spent on administration of the scheme might be better spent on surveillance of those released back into the community.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Long term PPRuNers will recall a number of incidents of paedophile pilots mentioned on these forum, including one in the UK who is now rresiding at Her Majesties pleasure as a result of PPRuNe.
As long as Priests, Police and Teachers are excluded the blue card system is worthless. The other problem with it, as already stated, is that it only weeds out those already caught or accused and cannot exclude those who are under the radar.
So whilst it would prevent scum like "the Guvnor" from getting a position in a kindergarten or scout hall, it couldn't have prevented the initial crime. It also can't prevent him from moving to another country and starting again, or even getting another girlfriend and abusing her kids.
To be honest, the best system to prevent child abuse is not one organised by Government but rather, old fashioned parental control.
My wife and kids are Catholic (I am an athiest) so they go to church and my boys are alter servers occassionally. My rules are that they are not allowed to be alone with the priest at any time without my wife or myself present. So if my wife can't guarantee that she will be present then I go as well.
I also make sure that they don't have unrestricted access to the internet and never make "efriends" with people they (and I) don't know in person.
I take an interest in their hobbies and sports and try to get to know all of their friends, and by extension their friends parents.
I never let them stay at someone's house if I don't know them and even if I do I make sure my boys know that the rules which apply at home apply everywhere (i.e. what would daddy say?).
We used to teach them stranger danger but I don't believe in it anymore. Most abuse happens by people they know and making kids fear everyone causes more damage than good. I would much rather they be friendly (but careful), outgoing, happy and well adjusted with a mean right hook than scared rabbits.
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The major university I work at requires all academics to get a blue card.
Exemptions
Paid employees are exempt under this category and do not require a blue card if they are:
- an approved teacher; or
- an employee of an education provider, such as a university, TAFE or registered training organisation.
As long as Priests, Police and Teachers are excluded the blue card system is worthless.
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To be honest, the best system to prevent child abuse is not one organised by Government but rather, old fashioned parental control.
The other thing that goes a long way towards catching abusers is making sure children are comfortable discussing this sort of thing with their parents. Two of the older 'experts' listed above (and the copper) believed that until recently lot of children were afraid to report abuse or didn't know how to go about it. Just their opinions, but based on experience.
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