SHELL Carnet cards

[Chu Mai Huang]

Shell is closing the exisiting Shell carnet cards on 31st May and launching Shell Fuel and Fly cards. Only problem is...... they will not issue one to Joe G.A. Average without an ABN and they demand 10,000 lt min. (not sure if that was per year or per month - either way, it's a shirt load of juice for a private owner)

So how do we get shell swipe bowser fuel now?

[Jabawocky]

Yes thats correct, and all our local friendly refuellers and oil suppliers are getting shafted.

I hope the Townsville refueller is with Mobil, as the BP folk (ask Desert Flower) and the shell folk....ask 185.....are pretty much screwing it up.

J

[Counter-rotation]

As bad as Mobil screwed it up in 1999/2000??

CR

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Or when Mobil screwed up with their new you beaut system about 6 months ago... and the new your beaut carnet cards required to operate these bowsers that came out about a months later?

FRQ CB

Credit Cards at the Shell bowsers... it's about friggin' time really.

[Clearedtoreenter]

One has to wonder who is doing the shafting and/or being shafted in the Avgas business.

Too true FRQ!

[Jabawocky]

Ahhh yes but the Mobil guys for the moment still have their business, the shell guys were just told to sod off!.

Credit card bowsers are a good idea, but why shut down the fuel guys who ran the CARNET accounts?

What you are not remembering is....they also sold you oil, they did the daily checks and reports and when something went wrong they were not far away to fix it, or pump you fuel on their account and you paid them for it.

Thats all history now. But someone still has to do the daily checks etc, so while your wise cracks about the Mobil fuel contamination are all valid....and lest face it there are not many outlets around for GA anyway, its all the BP and Shell fuel resellers I feel a bit sad for.

J

[VH-XXX]

I wonder how they would know how to contact you if the fuel was contaminated like last time.

You could use any old credit card to buy or, or someone elses for that matter.

If using my credit card in the long term equals a lesser price for AVGAS then that's a good thing. It must have been costing them too much to be giving everyone 30 days credit - can't blame them.

If the CC system works well, then so be it.

[Jazzy78910]

Thinking back to times of waiting for a representative to come and sell me fuel manually, this would be a god-send! Definitely opens options for refuelling points on longer flights.

[bentleg]

Shell say their bowsers will now accept credit cards. Thats fine with me.

[Ultralights]

the last 3 credit card Shell fuel bowsers i used in the last 2 weeks didnt work! Caboulture, Ballina and taree.

[VH-XXX]

As I understand it the bowsers don't yet accept credit cards and my Eco-friendly letter from Shell yesterday says that they are being rolled out at the moment.

As of a couple of weeks ago the one a Moorabbin had the credit card part taped over until the changeover date.

If you have had trouble trying your credit card it will be because it's not yet active.

[Aerodynamisist]

I hope they don't take a $1000 dollar deposit every time you swipe your card and then don't give it back for 24/36 hours like the aero refuellers bowser's do. There a bastard if you have to pay your motel bill with the same card or if the bowser doesn't work the first time then swipe again and scratch another $1000.

[VH-XXX]

You'll have to increase your credit limit man!

[Jabawocky]

aero

dont they ask you for a dollar amount first...the one at YTEM does and I assume that is "pre-authorised" and you only get billed for what you take.

I am not sure...but I think thats how it should work.........but may not have for you!

Carry two Visa cards is the answer!

[Aerodynamisist]

Yes some ask for a pre authorised amount. Aero refuelers take either $1000 or $750 regardless then refund the difference at a later date. Private systems around the traps like kingaroy or walgett just take the pre-authorised amount. At two tanks of 100LL "pilot coolant" a day it racks up quick.

[Jabawocky]

So where are the aero refuellers sites?

[VH-XXX]

The one at Narromine shows your account balance on the screen for everyone to see. I think they jack up the price if they know you are good for it :-)

[Jetjr]

You are asked for approved amount, $100, 200, etc etc
It seeks approval for this amount from Credit card owner - VISA etc. This is applied to your account
Total from actual transaction is then applied and adjustment made

Retailer nevers sees this over charge/refund bit but it turns up in credit card account until refund is transacted. It is even wiped from your statement so unless you look at balance at the wrong time or buy fuel close to the end of period you wont even know they are doing this

Support is the problem when these machines break down, which they do.

FYI Narromine pricing is improved too, Shell supply some of these private retailers and screw them around big time with pricing. Even send out "suggested retail pricing memos"

[AeroRefuellers]

Merchant Fee

I'm from Aero Refuellers and i just wanted to make it clear that Aero Refuellers has nothing to do with holding back a certain fee from your credit cards which is normally $1000. When you use your credit card at a credit card accepting bowser Aero Refuellers charge your credit card for the fuel usage but the merchant Bank that looks after the credit card bowser holds a security fee until the transaction for the fuel has been accepted. Once this has happened the money will be release back into your credit card. We don't believe this is an i ideal thing to do but if we are to be setting up credit card accepting bowser, this is the process that has to be taken. Apologies for any inconvenience and we hope that we can continue to assit you any way in the future.

[AeroRefuellers]

Aero Refueller Sites

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Below are a list of our Aero Refuellers locations. You will be able to access Avgas and/or JetA1 at these location by either swipe card bowser or fuel truck.[/FONT]

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If you require any further information, i'd be pleased to help[/FONT]
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']BATHURST[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']CANBERRA [/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']COOTAMUNDRA[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']COOMA[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']COROWA[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']DENILIQUIN[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']DUBBO[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']GOULBURN[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']HAY[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']NARRANDERA[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']PARKES[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']PORT [/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']MACQUARIE[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']SCONE[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']TAREE[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']TEMORA[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']WEST [/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']SALE[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']COFFS [/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']HARBOUR[/FONT]