Federal Election 2010: Which party will support Aviation?
Grandpa Aerotart
at least he's not sitting on his hands.
Can you point to anything he has done that has worked as advertised?
Rudd is Australia's Tony Blair (without the charisma) - after 13 years of Blair/Brown the UK is 1 Trillion pounds in debt and 75% of the Brits in a recent poll have thought about immigrating in the last 12 months to escape what comes next. The Uk is not in significantly better shape financially than Greece and look what is happening there.
If we extrapolate out the rate of spend of the Rudd Labor Govt to 13 yrs we get $1,300 Billion. Ridiculous you say - could never happen? I bet the Brits felt the same way 11 years ago.
Couple that with State owned asset sell-off, there was plenty of money in Goverment hands (at the expense of citizens buying power) going into the GFC. Its been wasted.
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* developing federal education syllabus,
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets,
* insulation, yes poorly done (damned if the did, damned if they didn't ),
* rollback work choices,
* make some awards law, i.e. pilots,
* some major infastructure roll outs, including schools and hospitals,
* stimulus, put aside your hatred of labor and spare a thought if there was no stimulus, unemployment etc etc,
* tax the mines, why not, they are making huge money, most of which leaves the country, what happens when all the natural resources are gone ?.
* Sorry, well atleast they can stop banging on about it and move on,
* first australian PM to be caught in a strip club ( personal favourite )
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* has committed to global warming, still lots of naysayers on this topic, but apparently the government is convinced it is real,
* suspended processing of illegal immigrants from IRAQ and Afganastan,
* making it more difficult for foreigners to buy property ( an attempt to slow or market/prices),
Sure most of these are subjective as to whether they are a success or not, I am not a fan of Rudd, but they certainly have not sat on their hands, also I despise Howard/Costello over work choices.
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets,
* insulation, yes poorly done (damned if the did, damned if they didn't ),
* rollback work choices,
* make some awards law, i.e. pilots,
* some major infastructure roll outs, including schools and hospitals,
* stimulus, put aside your hatred of labor and spare a thought if there was no stimulus, unemployment etc etc,
* tax the mines, why not, they are making huge money, most of which leaves the country, what happens when all the natural resources are gone ?.
* Sorry, well atleast they can stop banging on about it and move on,
* first australian PM to be caught in a strip club ( personal favourite )
,* has committed to global warming, still lots of naysayers on this topic, but apparently the government is convinced it is real,
* suspended processing of illegal immigrants from IRAQ and Afganastan,
* making it more difficult for foreigners to buy property ( an attempt to slow or market/prices),
Sure most of these are subjective as to whether they are a success or not, I am not a fan of Rudd, but they certainly have not sat on their hands, also I despise Howard/Costello over work choices.
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* developing federal education syllabus,Yeh, great idea..until you crash into the local branches of the teachers unions and state education departments
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets,Constitutional issue, because of this, Health and hospitals are all hot air
* insulation, yes poorly done (damned if the did, damned if they didn't ),Costello kept telling the same guys to bag it...until Swan came along and gullibility leads to a fall
* rollback work choices,Funny that, the ALP still haven't delivered on this one...couple of bits like wrongful dismissal and contracts but all the rest is still on the books
* make some awards law, i.e. pilots,Have they?
* some major infastructure roll outs, including schools and hospitals,Still waiting for ANY infrastructure that actually delivers on promise
* stimulus, put aside your hatred of labor and spare a thought if there was no stimulus, unemployment etc etc,Call me synical, but to release tranches of this plasma money about two weeks out from when retail data is collected and then use that data to prove we are not in recession is a bit too cute. What had happened to Jerry Harvey's shops when all the money stopped flowing. In all honesty, no one will ever know if any other way would have worked..KRudd chose this way and spent bucket loads of the surplus for no good reason...If you want to know how it went, just take note of the number of large TVs thrown out on the side of the road. Really positive outcomes for the economy, what!
* tax the mines, why not, they are making huge money, most of which leaves the country, what happens when all the natural resources are gone ?.And where was KRudd and EVERY poli that ever walked when these companies set up in the Pilbera with absolute squat infrastructure. The WA and Fed governments did not raise a finger to put in one single piece of infrastructure..no rail..no ports..no nothing..every last bit was paid for by the miners BEFORE they even made a single dollar. Remember the parable of Ol 'Henny Penny? nobody helped bake the cake but they all showed up for their piece of the action..On that point? Hawke and his FBT almost decimated the miners over the low cost infrastructure they supplied to get their workers to come and work in the "most hospitable" clims of the NW of Aus
* Sorry, well atleast they can stop banging on about it and move on,
* first australian PM to be caught in a strip club ( personal favourite ) And the worm took the weazle way out...the equivalent of "I never inhaled" ,
* has committed to global warming, still lots of naysayers on this topic, but apparently the government is convinced it is real,The KRudd is convince the tax grab is real...there is a difference!
* suspended processing of illegal immigrants from IRAQ and Afganastan,But did he ever admit that he fecked up by changing the rules that allowed this BS to restart?
* making it more difficult for foreigners to buy property ( an attempt to slow or market/prices),Same as above, the KRudd relaxed the FIRB rules and then found out why the rules were ther in the first place
Sure most of these are subjective as to whether they are a success or not, I am not a fan of Rudd, just despise Howard/Costello over work choices. And the devil you most despise was actually good for the country...KRudd has been a disaster from day one!
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets,Constitutional issue, because of this, Health and hospitals are all hot air
* insulation, yes poorly done (damned if the did, damned if they didn't ),Costello kept telling the same guys to bag it...until Swan came along and gullibility leads to a fall
* rollback work choices,Funny that, the ALP still haven't delivered on this one...couple of bits like wrongful dismissal and contracts but all the rest is still on the books
* make some awards law, i.e. pilots,Have they?
* some major infastructure roll outs, including schools and hospitals,Still waiting for ANY infrastructure that actually delivers on promise
* stimulus, put aside your hatred of labor and spare a thought if there was no stimulus, unemployment etc etc,Call me synical, but to release tranches of this plasma money about two weeks out from when retail data is collected and then use that data to prove we are not in recession is a bit too cute. What had happened to Jerry Harvey's shops when all the money stopped flowing. In all honesty, no one will ever know if any other way would have worked..KRudd chose this way and spent bucket loads of the surplus for no good reason...If you want to know how it went, just take note of the number of large TVs thrown out on the side of the road. Really positive outcomes for the economy, what!
* tax the mines, why not, they are making huge money, most of which leaves the country, what happens when all the natural resources are gone ?.And where was KRudd and EVERY poli that ever walked when these companies set up in the Pilbera with absolute squat infrastructure. The WA and Fed governments did not raise a finger to put in one single piece of infrastructure..no rail..no ports..no nothing..every last bit was paid for by the miners BEFORE they even made a single dollar. Remember the parable of Ol 'Henny Penny? nobody helped bake the cake but they all showed up for their piece of the action..On that point? Hawke and his FBT almost decimated the miners over the low cost infrastructure they supplied to get their workers to come and work in the "most hospitable" clims of the NW of Aus
* Sorry, well atleast they can stop banging on about it and move on,
* first australian PM to be caught in a strip club ( personal favourite ) And the worm took the weazle way out...the equivalent of "I never inhaled" ,
* has committed to global warming, still lots of naysayers on this topic, but apparently the government is convinced it is real,The KRudd is convince the tax grab is real...there is a difference!
* suspended processing of illegal immigrants from IRAQ and Afganastan,But did he ever admit that he fecked up by changing the rules that allowed this BS to restart?
* making it more difficult for foreigners to buy property ( an attempt to slow or market/prices),Same as above, the KRudd relaxed the FIRB rules and then found out why the rules were ther in the first place
Sure most of these are subjective as to whether they are a success or not, I am not a fan of Rudd, just despise Howard/Costello over work choices. And the devil you most despise was actually good for the country...KRudd has been a disaster from day one!
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Sounds to me more like resistance to change, nobody likes being told something, and IMHO teachers are quite opinionated. Try changing your childs school during year 11 or 12, even just two suburbs and listening to the list of BS reasons from the principle why marks from previous school scores can not be counted, this will definately limit your childs future prospect, why shouldn't changing schools be a simple process ?, there needs to be a single line in the sand.
Contracts have been signed with construction companies, start dates set, capital works take quite sometime to get rolling.
Many countries had stimulus packages, many still went into recession, we did not, that is a fact.
Is this your opinion or fact ?, if you claim it to be a fact, prove it, surely you will not object to your theories being reviewed by us, your peers ?.
Yeh, great idea..until you crash into the local branches of the teachers unions and state education departments
Still waiting for ANY infrastructure that actually delivers on promise
Really positive outcomes for the economy, what!
KRudd has been a disaster from day one!
Regretfully, Josh. That truth will not come out until the other team gets the books...The ALP has never been known to be open and honest in reporting their position whilst sitting to the right of the speaker.
Grandpa Aerotart
Yup history shows quite clearly the difference between the left and right political parties. After Whitlam, Hawke/Keating and now Rudd Australia was/is deeply indebted and the Liberals spent/will spend years paying down the debt. ALL the state Labor govts are bankrupt as we speak.
I used to believe we were saddled by too many layers of govt and should rid ourselves of state govts but no longer. Its not the layers (Fed/State/Local) that is the problem its the sheer size of each - we can no longer, and haven't been able to for decades, afford them.
And what is IN that centralised education syllabus?
Quadrant Online - The Ideology of the National English Curriculum
No he is making a grab for some of the GST and adding a layer of Federal Bureaucrats - even the fella that helped design Medicare thinks its a fiasco.
I have covered this already - not 'damned if he didn't' at all. It was a stupid decision badly implemented despite plenty of examples of what DOES go wrong in this particularly area. History is replete with examples of why this sort of thing NEVER works.
You call relabelling and tweaking something a 'rollback'?
I have covered your next 3 points above.
NO. A good leader would NOT allow the view that Australia is a racist country with a history akin to South Africa to stand when its patently untrue and the facts are fully documented. This is why Howard would never say sorry because he KNEW there was nothing to apologise about - in fact quite the opposite. Why do YOU think the political left feels it must rewrite history and destroy our cultural inheritance?
Utter rubbish - If that was true he would have followed through on his threat of a double dissolution election. The 'greatest moral challenge of our age' was nothing more than a cynical tax grab. He has abandoned it completely.
No, delayed for 6 months, there is a difference. Plus its was Sri Lankans and Afghanis. His handling of illegal immigration has been an utter debacle. 60 odd people drowned and the detention infrastructure groaning under the strain. And is there any evidence that its working?
This is the latest
It should be impossible but once again Rudd tinkered when he should have left well enough alone. Its right up there with doubling the first home sellers grant - VERY bad policy. Go back and read what I have written on incentives and sending signals to the market/economy. Tricking people into buying houses during the biggest real estate bubble in Australian history is a disgrace.
There is nothing subjective about any of this - except the MSM refuses to be objective and give people the facts.
I used to believe we were saddled by too many layers of govt and should rid ourselves of state govts but no longer. Its not the layers (Fed/State/Local) that is the problem its the sheer size of each - we can no longer, and haven't been able to for decades, afford them.
* developing federal education syllabus
Quadrant Online - The Ideology of the National English Curriculum
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets
* insulation, yes poorly done (damned if the did, damned if they didn't )
* rollback work choices,
I have covered your next 3 points above.
* Sorry, well atleast they can stop banging on about it and move on,
* has committed to global warming, still lots of naysayers on this topic, but apparently the government is convinced it is real,
* suspended processing of illegal immigrants from IRAQ and Afganastan,
This is the latest
Rudd decision to suspend applications for asylum from Sri Lankans and Afghans doesn’t seem to be detering many from risking their lives:
FIVE Australia-bound asylum-seekers who perished at sea set themselves adrift in a fatal attempt to find a passing ship after their wooden fishing boat ran out of fuel, food and drinking water. As the remaining 59 Sri Lankans from the boat arrived yesterday at Christmas Island after being rescued and the Australian Federal Police began investigating the incident, new details emerged about the tragedy.
FIVE Australia-bound asylum-seekers who perished at sea set themselves adrift in a fatal attempt to find a passing ship after their wooden fishing boat ran out of fuel, food and drinking water. As the remaining 59 Sri Lankans from the boat arrived yesterday at Christmas Island after being rescued and the Australian Federal Police began investigating the incident, new details emerged about the tragedy.
* making it more difficult for foreigners to buy property ( an attempt to slow or market/prices),
There is nothing subjective about any of this - except the MSM refuses to be objective and give people the facts.
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Grandpa Aerotart
When you are watching the Budget delivery tonight bare this in mind from Terry McCrann.
TONIGHT'S budget will be an entirely political document like no other in recent years, in a way that utterly exposes the emptiness of both the prime minister and his treasurer.
Now that might seem to be a statement of the bleeding obvious. Surely all budgets are political. They are after all put together and delivered by, well, politicians.
Indeed further, by definition, a budget just before an election like this one has to be at least partly directed at the, well, coming election.
So why do I say this is political like no other in recent years? Because some of the - indeed, all the - big decisions have been taken purely to get particular numbers in the budget papers.
Again this happens all the time. You cut or increase, say, health spending with an eye to the bottom line, you don't cut taxes to avoid sending the budget into deficit, and so on.
What makes this budget different - a return in some senses to a 'Paul Keating future' - is that some key decisions have been taken entirely to achieve a numerical outcome in the budget papers in a way utterly disconnected to anything of substance.
There are two big ones: the resources rent tax (RRT) , or as it is dishonestly titled, the resources super profits tax; and the ditching of the emissions trading scheme (ETS).
The RRT was unveiled a week ago. The question that hasn't really been asked, and so therefore not answered, is: Why?
The government had the (Ken) Henry tax review for nearly six months. Why was it necessary to rush it out a week before the budget? And then, not simply table the review but deliver the government's complete if very minimal response to it?
Nothing in the exercise was time sensitive - the big changes were/are going to start years into the future. It wasn't a beer and cigs exercise where the higher rates applied immediately.
The answer is very simple. By making the RRT in particular 'official policy', the money it raised, the money it is expected by Treasury to raise, will be included in tonight's figures.
It is not petty cash. The RRT will raise $3 billion in 2012-13 and $9 billion in 2013-14 - the last two years covered by the official budget forecasts.
So purely in order to be able to include $12 billion of (projected) revenue in the budget papers, Kevin 'Gougher' Rudd and Wayne 'Riskless' Swan, were prepared to deceive the resources industry and risk seriously damaging the nation by sowing genuine fear.
The sensible, the grown-up, thing to do would have been to unveil the proposed RRT, subject to discussion. But then, the money could not have been included in tonight's budget.
That alone shows both are unfit to continue in their roles. That they would so wilfully place budget form over policy substance to the nation's potential detriment.
Then there's the ETS. Again, why was it necessary to formally abandon it just before this budget? For exactly the same reason? Once formally abandoned, the ETS numbers come out of the budget.
Now with the ETS they come out of both sides of the budget. Both the money expected to be raised by the tax and the money handed out in compensation.
So if formally ending it is budget neutral, why do it?
The answer is even more damning of Rudd and Swan - and also a very big warning to anyone who believes they have really abandoned it.
It is all about only the one side - the spending side. Removing the compensation - totally artificially - cuts spending by over $10 billion a year from 2012-13.
But if it also removes a similar sum from the revenue side, what's the point?
The answer is that it enables the government to deliver on its promise to keep spending growth to 2 per cent year.
So we have a prime minister who welches on "our greatest moral challenge" purely - sorry, only - to meet a completely artificial budget number. And an utterly meaningless number at that.
A third big decision doesn't produce quite this sort of empty fiscal chicanery, but comes close; and also shows the aimless deviousness of our current 'leaders'. It's the NBN - the National Broadband Network.
Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner was gloating the other day that the opposition couldn't 'save' the $43 billion earmarked for the NBN by cancelling it, because it was an 'investment' by the government and so not in the budget 'spending numbers'.
Again that's a sterile, utterly childish but potentially seriously damaging exercise in fiscal form over substance.
Of course, we would save $43 billion of real money if we abandoned the utter waste and stupidity of the NBN.
In Tanner's world, don't worry about the waste of real taxpayer money, just focus on the artificial numbers in a budget.
Tonight we will get a hollow document from a cabinet of hollow children. To think there was a time when we had grown-ups running the country.
Now that might seem to be a statement of the bleeding obvious. Surely all budgets are political. They are after all put together and delivered by, well, politicians.
Indeed further, by definition, a budget just before an election like this one has to be at least partly directed at the, well, coming election.
So why do I say this is political like no other in recent years? Because some of the - indeed, all the - big decisions have been taken purely to get particular numbers in the budget papers.
Again this happens all the time. You cut or increase, say, health spending with an eye to the bottom line, you don't cut taxes to avoid sending the budget into deficit, and so on.
What makes this budget different - a return in some senses to a 'Paul Keating future' - is that some key decisions have been taken entirely to achieve a numerical outcome in the budget papers in a way utterly disconnected to anything of substance.
There are two big ones: the resources rent tax (RRT) , or as it is dishonestly titled, the resources super profits tax; and the ditching of the emissions trading scheme (ETS).
The RRT was unveiled a week ago. The question that hasn't really been asked, and so therefore not answered, is: Why?
The government had the (Ken) Henry tax review for nearly six months. Why was it necessary to rush it out a week before the budget? And then, not simply table the review but deliver the government's complete if very minimal response to it?
Nothing in the exercise was time sensitive - the big changes were/are going to start years into the future. It wasn't a beer and cigs exercise where the higher rates applied immediately.
The answer is very simple. By making the RRT in particular 'official policy', the money it raised, the money it is expected by Treasury to raise, will be included in tonight's figures.
It is not petty cash. The RRT will raise $3 billion in 2012-13 and $9 billion in 2013-14 - the last two years covered by the official budget forecasts.
So purely in order to be able to include $12 billion of (projected) revenue in the budget papers, Kevin 'Gougher' Rudd and Wayne 'Riskless' Swan, were prepared to deceive the resources industry and risk seriously damaging the nation by sowing genuine fear.
The sensible, the grown-up, thing to do would have been to unveil the proposed RRT, subject to discussion. But then, the money could not have been included in tonight's budget.
That alone shows both are unfit to continue in their roles. That they would so wilfully place budget form over policy substance to the nation's potential detriment.
Then there's the ETS. Again, why was it necessary to formally abandon it just before this budget? For exactly the same reason? Once formally abandoned, the ETS numbers come out of the budget.
Now with the ETS they come out of both sides of the budget. Both the money expected to be raised by the tax and the money handed out in compensation.
So if formally ending it is budget neutral, why do it?
The answer is even more damning of Rudd and Swan - and also a very big warning to anyone who believes they have really abandoned it.
It is all about only the one side - the spending side. Removing the compensation - totally artificially - cuts spending by over $10 billion a year from 2012-13.
But if it also removes a similar sum from the revenue side, what's the point?
The answer is that it enables the government to deliver on its promise to keep spending growth to 2 per cent year.
So we have a prime minister who welches on "our greatest moral challenge" purely - sorry, only - to meet a completely artificial budget number. And an utterly meaningless number at that.
A third big decision doesn't produce quite this sort of empty fiscal chicanery, but comes close; and also shows the aimless deviousness of our current 'leaders'. It's the NBN - the National Broadband Network.
Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner was gloating the other day that the opposition couldn't 'save' the $43 billion earmarked for the NBN by cancelling it, because it was an 'investment' by the government and so not in the budget 'spending numbers'.
Again that's a sterile, utterly childish but potentially seriously damaging exercise in fiscal form over substance.
Of course, we would save $43 billion of real money if we abandoned the utter waste and stupidity of the NBN.
In Tanner's world, don't worry about the waste of real taxpayer money, just focus on the artificial numbers in a budget.
Tonight we will get a hollow document from a cabinet of hollow children. To think there was a time when we had grown-ups running the country.
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Sorry Chimbu, but I do not think you have the ability to be objective on this issue.
For example:
Making a cash grab for GST with one hand and taking over the running of all hospitals with the other, to me it is clear you are not willing to look at the truths, you just hate ALP though and through, taking on the running of the whole health system is a massive undertaking.
My wife works in the medical industry, she draws her wage partly from medicare, in the past ten odd years that she has been in the industry, she has seen many people that should have survived illness quite simply not, why, lack of access to a multitude of services, services we have already paid for.
Like many state and federal departments, they appear to lose sight of their core values and the customers needs, they become massive corporate junkets, IMHO health in australia is a disgrace when measured up against the amount of tax payers money spent on it.
Sure next you'll state the ALP is not fixing it right, how long was little johnny in the throne and what bs was sold to us in his time.
I'll say again, I am not a Rudd fan, to be frank they are all appear to be a bunch of grand standing fools.
You seem quite certain every act is a tax grab, when then, does it go into his personal bank account ?.
If you've dealt with government departments you would have to know they carry a lot of dead wood and can be overly complex to deal with.
Insulation, I agree it was poorly done.
Quadrant Online - The Ideology of the National English Curriculum
So what ?, sure they could find a writer that is happy with the changes, but that doesn't sell papers.
Most readers do not want to hear about kittens being rescued from trees by fireman or old people turning 100, they want to see carnage, anger, fights and police being beaten up whilst doing their job, quite sad really.
I get the feeling you guys are so bent on lynching someone that all information turns to a one eyed view that supports your thoughts, complete loss of objectivity, irrespective of the facts.
Sure the ALP's probably ballsed some stuff up, but surely they've got some of it right, even if only by chance.
The Libs are far from great saviours, you have a short memory if you think that.
I believe the days of being a voter dedicated to one party based on their published ideology are over, much of the voting will be on actual proposed policy and characters on the front line, for example, other than at gun point, who here would vote for Bob Brown ?.
One last point, the mining "super tax", if that happens, how quickly do you think that massive amount of money will pay off the stimulus debt ?.
For example:
Quote:
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets
No he is making a grab for some of the GST and adding a layer of Federal Bureaucrats - even the fella that helped design Medicare thinks its a fiasco.
* consolidating health, trying to reduce the size of the state health junkets
No he is making a grab for some of the GST and adding a layer of Federal Bureaucrats - even the fella that helped design Medicare thinks its a fiasco.
My wife works in the medical industry, she draws her wage partly from medicare, in the past ten odd years that she has been in the industry, she has seen many people that should have survived illness quite simply not, why, lack of access to a multitude of services, services we have already paid for.
Like many state and federal departments, they appear to lose sight of their core values and the customers needs, they become massive corporate junkets, IMHO health in australia is a disgrace when measured up against the amount of tax payers money spent on it.
Sure next you'll state the ALP is not fixing it right, how long was little johnny in the throne and what bs was sold to us in his time.
I'll say again, I am not a Rudd fan, to be frank they are all appear to be a bunch of grand standing fools.
You seem quite certain every act is a tax grab, when then, does it go into his personal bank account ?.
If you've dealt with government departments you would have to know they carry a lot of dead wood and can be overly complex to deal with.
Insulation, I agree it was poorly done.
Quadrant Online - The Ideology of the National English Curriculum
So what ?, sure they could find a writer that is happy with the changes, but that doesn't sell papers.
Most readers do not want to hear about kittens being rescued from trees by fireman or old people turning 100, they want to see carnage, anger, fights and police being beaten up whilst doing their job, quite sad really.
I get the feeling you guys are so bent on lynching someone that all information turns to a one eyed view that supports your thoughts, complete loss of objectivity, irrespective of the facts.
Sure the ALP's probably ballsed some stuff up, but surely they've got some of it right, even if only by chance.
The Libs are far from great saviours, you have a short memory if you think that.
I believe the days of being a voter dedicated to one party based on their published ideology are over, much of the voting will be on actual proposed policy and characters on the front line, for example, other than at gun point, who here would vote for Bob Brown ?.
One last point, the mining "super tax", if that happens, how quickly do you think that massive amount of money will pay off the stimulus debt ?.
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Grandpa Aerotart
Health is a state responsibility - Howard put an extra billion into healthcare but to what end?
I agree healthcare delivery is a disgrace but lay the blame where it belongs - STATE GOVTS bureaucracy - which have all been LABOR for a decade or more. If you think Federal tinkering with healthcare funding is the answer then I think you're being a tad naive. Rudd didn't earn the nickname Dr Death for no reason when he tinkered with Qld Health.
Healthcare delivery has been ruined by bureaucracy - in times past hospitals were run by senior medical staff but no more - how does another layer of federal bureaucracy 'fix' healthcare?
To those who ask what party has the best aviation policy I will say again - none - and its largely irrelevant - a 'good' aviation policy alone would not be enough to sway my vote. The sum of a political party's policies and history of delivery is the important thing. Rudd could trot out a great aviation policy tomorrow but it would be meaningless in the light of their demonstrated inability to deliver/manage anything but an attack on Australia's overall economic well being. Economic well being is the only thing that will facilitate a health aviation industry.
If you think taxing the mining sector heavily is good for aviation you need to sit back and take a more holistic view of the world around you.
If you expect the 40% RRT is going to pay back ANYTHING you're crazy. When resource prices crash back down again - which they always do - there will be not only NO revenue but the govt is taking on 40% of the downside risks too. Plus NEVER in the history of Australian politics have state or federal Labor Govt EVER paid down debt - its ALWAYS left for the Liberals to pay back when they eventually regain power. That is a simple fact of history.
I agree healthcare delivery is a disgrace but lay the blame where it belongs - STATE GOVTS bureaucracy - which have all been LABOR for a decade or more. If you think Federal tinkering with healthcare funding is the answer then I think you're being a tad naive. Rudd didn't earn the nickname Dr Death for no reason when he tinkered with Qld Health.
Healthcare delivery has been ruined by bureaucracy - in times past hospitals were run by senior medical staff but no more - how does another layer of federal bureaucracy 'fix' healthcare?
To those who ask what party has the best aviation policy I will say again - none - and its largely irrelevant - a 'good' aviation policy alone would not be enough to sway my vote. The sum of a political party's policies and history of delivery is the important thing. Rudd could trot out a great aviation policy tomorrow but it would be meaningless in the light of their demonstrated inability to deliver/manage anything but an attack on Australia's overall economic well being. Economic well being is the only thing that will facilitate a health aviation industry.
If you think taxing the mining sector heavily is good for aviation you need to sit back and take a more holistic view of the world around you.
If you expect the 40% RRT is going to pay back ANYTHING you're crazy. When resource prices crash back down again - which they always do - there will be not only NO revenue but the govt is taking on 40% of the downside risks too. Plus NEVER in the history of Australian politics have state or federal Labor Govt EVER paid down debt - its ALWAYS left for the Liberals to pay back when they eventually regain power. That is a simple fact of history.
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how long was little johnny in the throne and what bs was sold to us in his time.
And that's the rub, Service/Infrastructure delivery has to be balanced against the "real" financial position.
$30mill Xstrata exploration project warehoused in North-West Qld yesterday- sure hope all those Accountants don't start looking side-ways at FIFO airframes, as they have been prone to do from time to time in days gone by when the weight comes on.
Let alone- there maybe more yield and minerals investment stability elsewhere????
Neice works with BG, SANTOS just pulled up on the gas line to Gladstone. A certain cocky electrician just lost a motza of money on a deal with Peabodies exactly because of this new tax...and it hasn't even made it to the Senate. This is one money bill that is going to cop some serious scrutiny.
As for you, Coxy, you cannot be a born Queenslander because you would have remembered what Wayne Goss and Dr Death dead to the fully funded, functioning health system in your state. Long Memory...must have a...lo..o..ong Memory!
Ideology has squat to do with it. When Goss won there was much rejoicing...when Goss finally lost to Borbidge, the state of Queensland was broke...all the fully funded superannuation was gone, all the funds from all the Ambo auxillaries was also gone..the taxes were gone and the huge royalties and freight charges exacted on the coal industry..also gone...Captain Bligh keeps the tradition going..raiding the community funds to prop up that Solar Panel scheme. And now the rest of Australia is finding out what Queenslanders with long memories already knew...Rudd is a little mandarin (as in bureaucrat) control freak that hasn't a clue how to control a piggy bank let alone a state or even federal economy.
Love or hate Joh..Queensland was buzzing and cashed up..under the ALP it is a basket case propped up by a huge resource boom in LNG and Coal.
As for you, Coxy, you cannot be a born Queenslander because you would have remembered what Wayne Goss and Dr Death dead to the fully funded, functioning health system in your state. Long Memory...must have a...lo..o..ong Memory!
Ideology has squat to do with it. When Goss won there was much rejoicing...when Goss finally lost to Borbidge, the state of Queensland was broke...all the fully funded superannuation was gone, all the funds from all the Ambo auxillaries was also gone..the taxes were gone and the huge royalties and freight charges exacted on the coal industry..also gone...Captain Bligh keeps the tradition going..raiding the community funds to prop up that Solar Panel scheme. And now the rest of Australia is finding out what Queenslanders with long memories already knew...Rudd is a little mandarin (as in bureaucrat) control freak that hasn't a clue how to control a piggy bank let alone a state or even federal economy.
Love or hate Joh..Queensland was buzzing and cashed up..under the ALP it is a basket case propped up by a huge resource boom in LNG and Coal.
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You don't mean, that they actually had (before they centralised the show and down-graded them) "Local" QLD hospital and ambulance Boards to administer such things- do you?????????........ now there's a thing!!!- isn't one of the core planks of the impending "Health Revolution" such a revolutionary concept???
Seems like there maybe some lessons learnt 20 years down the track- everything old is new again.......... even if it's borrowed from someone else and you destroyed it way back when.......
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Seems like there maybe some lessons learnt 20 years down the track- everything old is new again.......... even if it's borrowed from someone else and you destroyed it way back when.......
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The health system is rooted basically, to many shiny bum pen pushing ergonomic chair warmers on big dollars who spend their day reviewing policy at the state health ministers whim or minder's wants.
Look at the health spend over the last twenty years and then look at the next twenty years on the percentage increases, and you hope that BHP, RIO etc find lots of stuff in outback Oz to dig up and export to China.
Look at the health spend over the last twenty years and then look at the next twenty years on the percentage increases, and you hope that BHP, RIO etc find lots of stuff in outback Oz to dig up and export to China.
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And who was it, in the great wisdom of user pays and fiscal rationalism, that turned state hospital systems into businesses based on the US model? I am not that sure that it was a Labor state government. Certainly not in Richard's Court of WestOz.
The way of things politcal in Oz is you have a Liberal Government in the good times and a Labor one in the hard times. Which is the only party to invoke the military against unionists - twice - in the history of Australian politics? Which party led Australia during the 40s?
The mining industry will bleat for a while, just like they did in the GFC, the recession of the 80s and 90s and then they will get on with the business they are in. Gouging deep holes in the best country in the world and making billions of dollars. After all if it is only the profit that is taxed, remembering there are still a mulititude of fiscal incentives to dig holes, then the difference between a $2B profit and a $3B profit is probably about 20cents a share on the dividend to shareholders.
The way of things politcal in Oz is you have a Liberal Government in the good times and a Labor one in the hard times. Which is the only party to invoke the military against unionists - twice - in the history of Australian politics? Which party led Australia during the 40s?
The mining industry will bleat for a while, just like they did in the GFC, the recession of the 80s and 90s and then they will get on with the business they are in. Gouging deep holes in the best country in the world and making billions of dollars. After all if it is only the profit that is taxed, remembering there are still a mulititude of fiscal incentives to dig holes, then the difference between a $2B profit and a $3B profit is probably about 20cents a share on the dividend to shareholders.