Merged: Single Engine Acft Prang - Brooker Hwy Hobart
The guy had an idea of what he wanted to do...the question is, would I have done it in the same situation?
4000ft over Otago on Google shows a heap more places. Maybe, he re-evaluated too many times as he got lower and got stuck with not being able to make his last one and stuck with the highway.
From a position of wanting to learn from this, I am at a loss to understand why he went so far toward Hobart with a failing engine.
From a mechanical point of view..I remember Jim Scott telling me years ago that a Victa almost killed him when the fuel bladder collapsed after some aeros..forced landing that he wailked away from...could be a similar situation, although I thought that problem was fixed.
Will be interesting to hear the guy's thoughts for this flight.
4000ft over Otago on Google shows a heap more places. Maybe, he re-evaluated too many times as he got lower and got stuck with not being able to make his last one and stuck with the highway.
From a position of wanting to learn from this, I am at a loss to understand why he went so far toward Hobart with a failing engine.
From a mechanical point of view..I remember Jim Scott telling me years ago that a Victa almost killed him when the fuel bladder collapsed after some aeros..forced landing that he wailked away from...could be a similar situation, although I thought that problem was fixed.
Will be interesting to hear the guy's thoughts for this flight.
OZ,
It is wednesday morning, not monday... didn't realise you played grid-iron?
Mr Wells seems like a fool. Hope nothing similar happens to any of his aircraft in future, he will be wearing egg otherwise...
It is wednesday morning, not monday... didn't realise you played grid-iron?
Mr Wells seems like a fool. Hope nothing similar happens to any of his aircraft in future, he will be wearing egg otherwise...
What a moron........
It is true that they are a bunch of inbreds down that way
Congrats to the Pilot. The successful conclusion of a forced landing from whatever reason, Pilot error or not is to be commended. The ADF are not in the habit of traning idiots and usually end up with the cream of the crop, so I'd be willing to give this fella the benefit of the doubt.
Mr Wells is just trying to get his name in the media. What a douche.
It is true that they are a bunch of inbreds down that way
Congrats to the Pilot. The successful conclusion of a forced landing from whatever reason, Pilot error or not is to be commended. The ADF are not in the habit of traning idiots and usually end up with the cream of the crop, so I'd be willing to give this fella the benefit of the doubt.
Mr Wells is just trying to get his name in the media. What a douche.
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Did anybody see the blistered paint on one of the rocker covers?
the thermo-plating letting go in the degauzer control. As we all know, its a fairly common problem with them Victa's
In years gone by I was was up with the quirks of both the Airtrainer and the Airtourer, - so well out of touch now.
However I still am working on Lycoming engines on a daily basis and am often puzzled by the lack of attention paid to the plating. You would think it would be part of the 100 Hr inspection or something.... especially as it may have been an issue in this event.
The Moorabbin aircraft would have had a Lycoming engine also.... go figure. Two in one week... !
J3, power of hindsight.
Monday quarterbacking is just an americanisation of the original term. Armchair expert you will say....I still ask myself..with all evidence what would I do from that position?
Anyway, we still aren't getting the whole story. Did the engine just straight quit, was it giving marginal power at different throttle settings, was it a mechanical failure or a fuel starvation? Everything has a bearing on the outcome. Why didn't the guy just turn north away from civilisation?
So, I either keep my own opinion and watch you characters have all the fun or have a say in the matter. If you take the end point as THE result then the guy saved the day...you gotta ask, how the hell did he get himself in that position in the first place?...and that is just plain speculation.
Enjoy, that's why it is a rumour network
Monday quarterbacking is just an americanisation of the original term. Armchair expert you will say....I still ask myself..with all evidence what would I do from that position?
Anyway, we still aren't getting the whole story. Did the engine just straight quit, was it giving marginal power at different throttle settings, was it a mechanical failure or a fuel starvation? Everything has a bearing on the outcome. Why didn't the guy just turn north away from civilisation?
So, I either keep my own opinion and watch you characters have all the fun or have a say in the matter. If you take the end point as THE result then the guy saved the day...you gotta ask, how the hell did he get himself in that position in the first place?...and that is just plain speculation.
Enjoy, that's why it is a rumour network
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Landing an Airtourer 100 is not a problem - but if you want a quiet take-off without the stall warning stuttering, beware the downwind departure, in the middle of the day, 2 up, from a soft sandy strip with those little tyres.. (Learning curves) 
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OZ,
The pilot was lower than 4,000' when the engine failed and he was not over Otago Bay either.
His first option turned out to be a non-goer due to vehicles parked around the particular sports ground and by then the only viable option was the highway.
Google Earth does not give a good indication of the terrain around there where there are precious few sites for a forced landing. North was not an option.
The engine did not immediately quit but initially lost some power. The pilot used that time to gain another 300' where it quit completely but he still only had about 2 minutes glide time available. Not much time really.
There are several people being quoted by the media expressing opinions on what happened. They are just that, opinions. No one at this stage knows why the engine quit and the wreckage is currently sealed by the Police.
The pilot was lower than 4,000' when the engine failed and he was not over Otago Bay either.
His first option turned out to be a non-goer due to vehicles parked around the particular sports ground and by then the only viable option was the highway.
Google Earth does not give a good indication of the terrain around there where there are precious few sites for a forced landing. North was not an option.
The engine did not immediately quit but initially lost some power. The pilot used that time to gain another 300' where it quit completely but he still only had about 2 minutes glide time available. Not much time really.
There are several people being quoted by the media expressing opinions on what happened. They are just that, opinions. No one at this stage knows why the engine quit and the wreckage is currently sealed by the Police.
OZ,
Whether it's an americanism or not, it better describes what you are doing.
I still think you're a fool. Are you Plankie in disguise? Cmon you can be honest...
j3
Whether it's an americanism or not, it better describes what you are doing.
I still think you're a fool. Are you Plankie in disguise? Cmon you can be honest...
j3
Probably the most exicitng thing that has happened in Hobart town, since the talking movies came to town or Wrest Point Casino opened.
If the aircraft had crashed at the northern end of Brooker road, the northern suburbs flannel wearing government employees would have pinched the wheels, milked the fuel, flogged the radios, burnt the wreckage before the cops would have arrived and at least three teenage scrubbers would now be with child.
If the aircraft had crashed at the northern end of Brooker road, the northern suburbs flannel wearing government employees would have pinched the wheels, milked the fuel, flogged the radios, burnt the wreckage before the cops would have arrived and at least three teenage scrubbers would now be with child.
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I still think you're a fool. Are you Plankie in disguise? Cmon you can be honest...
but then i thought, no, he's not that bad generally
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Mr Wells said he believed Mr Humphries attempted to land on the New Town hockey field, but "messed it up".
"I'm assuming he certainly didn't intend to land on the highway. If he did he should be arrested," Mr Wells said.
"I'm assuming he certainly didn't intend to land on the highway. If he did he should be arrested," Mr Wells said.
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Mr Wells has made some seriously silly statements. The bit about the hero pilots being the ones who don't crash is probably the silliest of a choice bunch.
Regardless of how this young guy got into the situation, he handled it with a cool head and walked away to tell the tale. Many would have panicked. We have all heard of aircraft landing on a highway after an engine failure. In extremis, it is a valid option.
I think he did a great job. Flying under the bridge is a remarkable feat for a young pilot.
Regardless of how this young guy got into the situation, he handled it with a cool head and walked away to tell the tale. Many would have panicked. We have all heard of aircraft landing on a highway after an engine failure. In extremis, it is a valid option.
I think he did a great job. Flying under the bridge is a remarkable feat for a young pilot.
Don't know the how and why of this incident yet.
But I now know Mr Wells is a tool if he has been quoted correctly.
A good pilot (and human being) is one who doesn't slam someone for doing something he seems to know SFA about.
But I now know Mr Wells is a tool if he has been quoted correctly.
A good pilot (and human being) is one who doesn't slam someone for doing something he seems to know SFA about.
Mr Wells may very well be far more experienced than our hapless young pilot here but there's one thing My Well's hasn't got.........& that's youth!:-)
I guess by Mr Wells std's "hero pilots are those who spend a lifetime flying around without an accident" means Capt 'Sully' the guy who is/was a hero with the A320 ditching is another Mr Humphries???
We all have an opinion on such matters even Mr Wells is entitled to one it's just a shame though that his many years of experience is working against him by way of poorly thought out comments.
Wmk2
I guess by Mr Wells std's "hero pilots are those who spend a lifetime flying around without an accident" means Capt 'Sully' the guy who is/was a hero with the A320 ditching is another Mr Humphries???
We all have an opinion on such matters even Mr Wells is entitled to one it's just a shame though that his many years of experience is working against him by way of poorly thought out comments.
Wmk2
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I love this one.
Ha! what a beauty.... First we will court marshall him then we will execute him. Even if he is innocent.
Gold!
As an ex-RAAF CFS instructor I would conduct an inquest and discipline him.
Gold!
Does the Victa have fuel tanks in the wing or is it a fuselage tank?
Fuselage......the filler is on the right hand side of the fuselage just above the wing root.
Maybe, but the CT4 has 210 HP, and it's certainly no homesick angel!
With ref to the Aircruiser, one must remember that MVR is a prototype and if the aircraft had have made it into production it would have incorporated many changes and given the C182 of the day a good run. That was what Cessna were so scared of when they dumped C150's on the market in '66 which helped Victa to close.
It was a sad time of Australian aviation! Not changed much since!
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